Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

[Fah Kiew Tu]

I've been told that the living spaces in that building are quite problematic because they are riddled with massive support pillars.

No fucking way I'd ever have bought or rented an apartment in that thing. I don't care how good the engineering is, that thing is just a shit event waiting to happen.

FKT

 

[Jud - s/v Sputnik]

No fucking way I'd ever have bought or rented an apartment in that thing. I don't care how good the engineering is, that thing is just a shit event waiting to happen.

FKT

You definitely wouldn’t have room for a workshop in there

We used to live aboard very near there years ago, living cheaply to pay off old student debt. It was a semi-funky, downtrodden-ish part of town, right near the water anyway. There was a cool old building under the bridge where an artist held big parties. Then developers arrived, the Olympics arrived, tech bro money arrived, and they started building ridiculously expensive Eurotrash stuff like that all around there, completely changing the “waterfront”. I find it pretty soulless now. No interest for me anymore in that area.

 

[Startracker]

From that brief bit of video, looks like they did a fair job. Now, on the face of it, it seems to be more a case of corporate boatyards trying to screw every penny with kickbacks from "approved" contractors.

They should find a small yard up a creek and crack on. There would be a national rising in Cornwall if someone said you can't work on your own boat in a boatyard.

Don't come to Canada with those ideas... You are correct re the extraction of value. Regardless of price it is becoming an issue. One yard quoted me a hair under 10k for 90 days on the hard. I think I've found an option, but one of the owners is throwing a wrench in, and the trucking alone is going to run me 2500$ if I can get that resolved. It's hitting the point where the easiest option will be to pick up liability+ship repairers insurance, and a business license. To pay through the nose to work on my own bloody boat. I won't be surprised if that becomes my only option within the next decade.

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

You definitely wouldn’t have room for a workshop in there

Almost finished laying the floor in my workshop extension. Talk about old fuck-ups coming back to haunt you. Had to cut out some concrete with an angle grinder and diamond disk. Oh well done now, next step is to cover up the evidence and paint the floor...

FKT

 

[Jud - s/v Sputnik]

It's hitting the point where the easiest option will be to pick up liability+ship repairers insurance, and a business license. To pay through the nose to work on my own bloody boat. I won't be surprised if that becomes my only option within the next decade.

Are you saying that those three things would allow you to skirt a yard’s fucked up “you can’t work on your own boat” rule?

 

[Neutral President]

Don't come to Canada with those ideas... You are correct re the extraction of value. Regardless of price it is becoming an issue. One yard quoted me a hair under 10k for 90 days on the hard. I think I've found an option, but one of the owners is throwing a wrench in, and the trucking alone is going to run me 2500$ if I can get that resolved. It's hitting the point where the easiest option will be to pick up liability+ship repairers insurance, and a business license. To pay through the nose to work on my own bloody boat. I won't be surprised if that becomes my only option within the next decade.

Better yet, find someone with the insurance and license and pay them to "hire" you to work on your own boat.

 

[jvodan]

Uma.....

says unprogrammed yard move wrecked their boat......

or

was it the fact that they removed bulkheads when remodelling the interior of their 50 year old yacht?

They also said that the creaking from unsecured bulkeads and floors while at sea is so bad that they wear earplugs when below

they asked several yards if they could bring her ashore and do the work themselves..... yards said no

wrong yards maybe .... or maybe the yards are getting fed up with youtubers

Their Boat is worth a second ocean volt sail drive which is more than they paid for the boat.

 

[dylan winter]

another floppy Leopard cat

 

[Kurtz]

another flopy Leopard cat

If I'm ever rich enough to buy a boat like that, I'd be asking for a $150K discount to take delivery sans warranty. It's a DIY world out there ATM

 

[ProaSailor]

My favorite cruising boat was a Tornado beach cat.

 

[mckenzie.keith]

they may be architects but some architetcs are rotten structural engineers -

they regard that as a different discipline

I had assumed most had A levels in maths of physics - not true - some are out and out artists

My dad is a retired structural engineer. Architects vary widely in their engineering chops. Some are not engineers at all. Sometimes he would make fun of their ridiculously impractical structures with vast unsupported spans.

Architects "So it turns out the plot of land we are building on is a little triangle but there is all this air space above we can encroach on beside a bridge. Hey you engineers, you guys figure it out OK?"

Engineers "OK sure we can help.... WTF you assholes"

Actual building in Vancouver. This is the most dramatic angle.

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Engineers: Sure. No prob. You guys are cool with 100 meter deep pilings, right?

 

[Dogscout]

The architect does not care what the engineer does. Just make it look pretty like I drew it for the customer

 

[mcmurdo]

My dad is a retired structural engineer. Architects vary widely in their engineering chops. Some are not engineers at all. Sometimes he would make fun of their ridiculously impractical structures with vast unsupported spans.

Engineers: Sure. No prob. You guys are cool with 100 meter deep pilings, right?

My understanding is that the structure is tied into a massively built underground grid that occupies the entire lot and possibly part of the area under the bridge. So when it falls, it will be like a tree, ripping out an immense root ball.

Sort of like a keel, except sticking up.

 

[mckenzie.keith]

The architect does not care what the engineer does. Just make it look pretty like I drew it for the customer

They might have to explain a bit about construction cost estimates...

 

[jmh2002]

another floppy Leopard cat

Do I understand correctly that even after they found all these structural problems they still decided to sail the boat across the Atlantic?

Or am I confused?

Regardless, the boat looks like a POS construction wise, which might not be the first time that this has been suggested about Leopards over the years...

Also a good reminder that buying a new boat doesn't mean that you avoid having any problems. In fact often it is quite the opposite. And this applies to a basic charter spec boat like a Leopard, right up to superyachts costing tens of millions.

Caveat Emptor.

 

[low bum]

They might have to explain a bit about construction cost estimates...

And as we know, the engineers can't communicate with people...

 

[epoxypete]

Well now......that certainly gave a boost to my basal heart rate!! Almost felt young again, at least for a few thrilling moments.Thanks for that!!

 

[charisma94]

Are you saying that those three things would allow you to skirt a yard’s fucked up “you can’t work on your own boat” rule?

In Australia, its not the yard fault, its the insurance companies that dictate the policies and risks that marinas abide by. "We're responsible for everyones safety... If some old fella falls of a ladder and dies, who do you think the widow will pursue? The marina. (Signed waivers don't work in AU.)

Sure we can pay insurance premiums through the arse to cover such owner mishaps, but the high cost to cover them so they can do their own work doesn't make commercial sense. Unfortunately.

The only way around this is as you describe, form a sole trader company, get Public Liability Insurance and probably Ship Repairers Liability... then you can work on your own boat...

 

[kiwin]

Do I understand correctly that even after they found all these structural problems they still decided to sail the boat across the Atlantic?

Or am I confused?

Regardless, the boat looks like a POS construction wise, which might not be the first time that this has been suggested about Leopards over the years...

Also a good reminder that buying a new boat doesn't mean that you avoid having any problems. In fact often it is quite the opposite. And this applies to a basic charter spec boat like a Leopard, right up to superyachts costing tens of millions.

Caveat Emptor.

Production boats all suck. All of them. They are built by factory workers in a factory. No boatbuilders involved. They are cheap. And that means corners are cut. They are not suitable for sailing across oceans. I have spent much of my life sailing production boats across oceans. It's not what they are designed and built for.

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

In Australia, its not the yard fault, its the insurance companies that dictate the policies and risks that marinas abide by. "We're responsible for everyones safety... If some old fella falls of a ladder and dies, who do you think the widow will pursue? The marina. (Signed waivers don't work in AU.)

Sure we can pay insurance premiums through the arse to cover such owner mishaps, but the high cost to cover them so they can do their own work doesn't make commercial sense. Unfortunately.

The only way around this is as you describe, form a sole trader company, get Public Liability Insurance and probably Ship Repairers Liability... then you can work on your own boat...

There are yards in Oz where you can do your own work but for obvious reasons I'm not saying who & where they are...

FKT