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Guess you have to define "sucks" , might be an opinion.
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It does seem to be a commonly told story - that of the delivery skipper in a new high end boat that leaves the dock only to arrive in the Caribbean pumping and bailing, with a bunch of broken electronics and kluged repairs.
It's not like you CAN'T get a good new boat - look at Cape George and Rustler and a few others - it's just that it seems to me that that they're too boat shaped for the general buyer. There's something at work, some mojo I don't understand - ease of finance? Need to impress others? Price on the used market? Ease of sale or trade in? Need to prioritize speed over other factors?
It's not like you CAN'T get a good new boat - look at Cape George and Rustler and a few others - it's just that it seems to me that that they're too boat shaped for the general buyer. There's something at work, some mojo I don't understand - ease of finance? Need to impress others? Price on the used market? Ease of sale or trade in? Need to prioritize speed over other factors?
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non sailing women is the problem
my dad said - "never take your woman to view a boat - she will look at all the wrong things"
they see a cat and they see a lovely living space - big, convenient for guests, two loos, great view from the kitchen, dish washer, swim platform
they do not think about what a tough engineering project keeping two hulls and a high tension rig arallel to each other while hitting an ocean wave every 15 seconds for four days while travelling at 12 knots
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MagentaLine
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wow, that is some sexist bullshit right there.
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correct - I take it all back
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Jim in Halifax
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everything Dylan said would have been correct if he had substituted "non-sailing partner" for "woman". Modern design production sailboats are all about lifestyle marketing rather than seaworthiness and practicality.
There is nothing really new about that. It's been going on for at least as long as I've been into sailing.
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I think that youtue and big cats made in low labour cost areas has exacerbated the problem
I have neen watching the Leopard 45 saga unfolding with interest.
however, I would not mind having a summer in a Hirondelle Mk3
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I get what you're saying and don't read it as sexist. There are lots of miserable but agreeable wives and girlfriends out there that don't get it and don't want to get it, and that's fine. I look at all the Harleys going down the road with a wife on the back and wonder how many of them would rather be antiquing than participating in their husband's LARP of Billy Badass. But they're supportive and don't want to be a source of division. Hats off.
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My dad had a tandem when he first met my mum back before the war.
She hated the feekin thing. She said she was on the back of it when a bus overtook ... on the back seat was a couple canoodling.... she said she was jealous of the people on the bus.
She stuck it for 18 months - then he bought one of thse
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My own wife has gone from an enthusiastic all year round sailor to just the three hottest weeks in the summer...
Jim in Halifax
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Maybe Jill would be keen on longer cruises if they were somewhere warmer than Scotland? Have you considered somewhere south of 43 N? Its tough being the captain...
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It's as good as Youtube sailing gets. A thong, whoopie. At least there is a sailboat, down there.
But hold on,...
Maybe there is a story here? Youtube Sailing,.. is sinking sailing?
Sex sells, we all know that. But we also know that it takes clever delivery, thoughtful art, an experienced execution to come up with quality work. Little of the above in Youtube Sailing, and not much sailing either.
I'm not alone in this thinking, apparently.
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Kurtz
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No dramas with the cheap labour. this looks like unskilled and unsupervised workers.
I wonder how big the Leopards office / sales team is compared to their production staff?
Big office, small factory will always be a problem
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I met a fellow with a brand new Rustler. He was suing them for a bunch of faults and repairs that the New boat had rightout of the gate. That Sucks Too
Panope
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I'm sitting in Miami international waiting to go home after 3 days of warranty work (massive refit on an old CG36). Happy customer.
TheDragon
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I was interested in your earlier post about this, and being somewhat distressed to hear of this decline in quality at Leopard, I tried watching some of their videos. They are hard to watch as the main dude is either being silly or going on long sarcastic rants. Plus for my liking a lot of their mods seem stupid, like the lightning "prevention" system. Their vid after their recent Atlantic crossing shows problems with cracks around the aft crossbeam. Clearly there is some horribly inadequate fiberglass work there, but I also wonder if they did not help it along. For example, in addition to adding most of the contents of a shipping container to the boat in the Med, they appear to have 24 5-gallon (maybe larger?) jugs of diesel strapped to the back if the deck, on top of that crossbeam, and left Cape Town that way. The first screenshot shows the 24 jugs at the dock in Cape Town, the second on their trip north. I calculate their weight as 840lbs. Having that weight across three oceans and the med with all the flexing of a catamaran seems likely to strain that structure.
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