Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place
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To be fair it isn't just production boats - there are a number of huge, custom built superyachts that have holes through the deck with no or very basic attempts to mitigate water ingress... admittedly these are usually into lockers but these lockers are then filled with 10s or 100s of thousands of $ worth of mechanical systems, spares, toys, sails etc that get covered in salt water...
Well I'm surprised. I thought they were one of the good guys.
I guess shaking these boats down for a few days offshore and fixing problems just is not figured into the price.
And they have a canvas cover on their dinghy with a nice deep well in it so it'll hold several hundred pounds of water with no access to any drain hole. Some of the wave will of course wash forward and knock over their Leaning Tower of Diesel.
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cockpit-locker latches & gas-bottle padeyes would be the least of my worries if I had to go to sea in this
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Diarmuid
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You jealous cuz your boat can't just hoon around the anchorage in a crosswind like Ken Block drivin' his tuner.cockpit-locker latches & gas-bottle padeyes would be the least of my worries if I had to go to sea in this
Correction: the late Ken Block.
TheDragon
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Okay, thanks. I used to be proud of Robertson and Caine and Leopard, being South African and sharing one of their names and having an apartment near their headquarters. Here's what an older 45 (6 years old and sailed similar distance to the Red Seas newer one) looks like under the hood, a video put out in reaction to the bulkhead issues of the Lagoon 46s. I've skipped the tedious first part. Catamarans don't appeal to me and I could never afford one, but if I was interested and able then I would want one this strong (watch to near the end to see the steel core).
You know what hides a lot of sins and evil? Really thick flowcoat (gelcoat)
This is not a good sign. You're supposed to wet out glass not leave it dangling. But customers will never go here so no worries. Red marks are mine.
Sigh. Not wet out tabbing i.e. not stuck on. Real sharp corners in bulkhead openings. Terrible stress raisers.
Shit ugly glassing. Hose at the bottom (red arrow) passing through a very rough opening. No chafe protection (seems to be a common fault with boat builders)
Steel transverse mast support beam. Steel is stiff. This is good. Nice work on the part itself. But fuck it's heavy. If you have a high loads/low dimensional allowance you go with carbon and not a bunch of steel and bolts. But that would cost money.
The mast box beam for my boat (probably 50% the Righting moment of a Leopard 45) weighed about 50 lbs. Mostly fiberglass and foam with carbon uni capping. About 16' span. I shudder to think what that assembly weighs but in the several hundred pounds range.
Never show me the guts of a boat being built or with the liners removed. I can tell you how the sausage is made and it does not include nice work.
This is not a good sign. You're supposed to wet out glass not leave it dangling. But customers will never go here so no worries. Red marks are mine.
Sigh. Not wet out tabbing i.e. not stuck on. Real sharp corners in bulkhead openings. Terrible stress raisers.
Shit ugly glassing. Hose at the bottom (red arrow) passing through a very rough opening. No chafe protection (seems to be a common fault with boat builders)
Steel transverse mast support beam. Steel is stiff. This is good. Nice work on the part itself. But fuck it's heavy. If you have a high loads/low dimensional allowance you go with carbon and not a bunch of steel and bolts. But that would cost money.
The mast box beam for my boat (probably 50% the Righting moment of a Leopard 45) weighed about 50 lbs. Mostly fiberglass and foam with carbon uni capping. About 16' span. I shudder to think what that assembly weighs but in the several hundred pounds range.
Never show me the guts of a boat being built or with the liners removed. I can tell you how the sausage is made and it does not include nice work.
TheDragon
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Agreed, Yonker, all points made in the comments on the video too, yet six years in they have no issues. You are a capable naval architect who re-worked your own boat. Most of us are not in that category and I say again, IF I were to sail a cat I would prefer a heavy solid boat like this. Hence my choice of my own boat, a heavily over-built monohull far stronger than me.
Part of the problem came when as someone above stated, they got less "boat shaped". I have heard it said by many cruising "sailors" that most of your time cruising is at anchor or dock and so your boat should be optimised for that. Which is a disastrous epic fail of an analysis. The difficult, uncomfortable, dangerous but is not in the marina. It's at sea. Making a boat which is optimised for that bit should be the first priority. Anything else is called an apartment. And that's exactly what most production boats are, multi or mono. If all the very limited money is spent on interior design of the apartment which is built inside the underengineered, underesourced vaguely marine object that is the boat....then an unacceptably large proportion of those boats will have problems.
Just look at the elephantine asses on modern production monohulls. Those are not there for any hydrodynamic reasons. They are there to get twin double cabins and a large cockpit with a walk through between the twin wheels. So the design of the boat is compromised to fit in another cabin. If you were thinking hydrodynamically then you would draw a longer boat. Not bigger, but longer.
Just look at the elephantine asses on modern production monohulls. Those are not there for any hydrodynamic reasons. They are there to get twin double cabins and a large cockpit with a walk through between the twin wheels. So the design of the boat is compromised to fit in another cabin. If you were thinking hydrodynamically then you would draw a longer boat. Not bigger, but longer.
Lepoards were generally considered well built heavy catamarans. Heck even the older models of less ocean going brands are going strong.
At a guess Quality across the board has dropped as production numbers ramp up due to increased demand. Most yards have lead times of years.
Alot of new hires from a tight labor market for skilled and semi skilled workers.
Possibly some cost cutting as well due to changed economics.
At a guess Quality across the board has dropped as production numbers ramp up due to increased demand. Most yards have lead times of years.
Alot of new hires from a tight labor market for skilled and semi skilled workers.
Possibly some cost cutting as well due to changed economics.
TheDragon
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I had three nights with 30 knots and big enough breaking waves that I had to bear off to a broad reach with staysail only (one SE maramu and one northerly front). One wave over the boat that forced water through the limber holes at the front of the companionway hatch cover that spewed water and accumulated gunk all over the cabin. Not storm conditions, but getting there. The boat handled those well under windvane while I retreated to my bunk. We will see how it handles going around South Africa, but I have complete confidence in it.
Jud - s/v Sputnik
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My impression/limited knowledge from reading over the years is that Pacific Seacrafts (right?) are stoutly built. Not your average “production boat” (however that’s actually defined…impossible to).
BTW, Is that a more common way to go nowadays, as opposed to via the Red Sea/Med, b/c of piracy/politics? (I think you said you’re from SA so maybe that’s why you plan to go via SA?)
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In 2015/16 most boats we knew of went via S.Africa. When you see big ships in Seychelles putting razor wire all around the deck you sort of conclude that their intended route may not be that friendly.
We also knew of a big cat that took on armed mercs just offshore of Maldives. Again, when you need to pay $20K or more for a few armed guys with assault rifles to help security on a passage, maybe that route is not the best choice for a cruising sailboat...
We also knew of a big cat that took on armed mercs just offshore of Maldives. Again, when you need to pay $20K or more for a few armed guys with assault rifles to help security on a passage, maybe that route is not the best choice for a cruising sailboat...
dfw_sailor
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Hmmm can we say 3 fat guys instead of 4? I'm still overweight but down 35 lbs and can touch my toes again. But still 215. Yeah I'm being sensitive
But on topic, I am very lucky to have a wife who has experienced and helmed a 50' in 60kts, 30' waves ddw with a fouled 150 furler, and she agrees with me our retirement vessel will be 30+ yrs old with a refit. We don't want to waste time waiting for a build or the following 2 years dealing with shoddy work.
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