Gone

It's been a few days already, but I guess I'm slow even to realize what happened.

On Friday 18th, about 2 hours after departing Marina del Rey on my way to Begg Rock, 714's keel decided that she wanted to become a tourist attraction on the bottom of the ocean. And there she went.

It was a nice day. We're beating against 12 to 15 knots of wind and against the swell. Not too bad, though, we're just about 7 miles out. I put the autopilot and went down below to check the chart when I was thrown to the leeward side. Minis are small enough, though, that I manage not to get hurt and, still standing on the boat's side, I reached the main sheet through the companionway and let it go. That was enough to get her flat, and allowed me to sit back on the windward side... just to start hearing some weird noise... it took me few seconds to realize that the greenish-bluish long and narrow strip just aft of the keel box was the pacific ocean smiling at me.

After the initial shock, I remembered a comment while passing PSSA's safety check: "those mandatory wooden plugs are useless, the cracks are never round, I'd just use a towel and stick it in there'. So that's what I did. Thanks for the hint.

Of course it's never that easy, and not too long later I realized there still was lots of water finding its way inside. So, I removed some stuff from the 'storage' area on top of the keel box, just to see the ocean smiling at me from all directions. I started bailing out until I realized that I could not win. The ocean and the laws of physics would. Minis are supposed to be unsinkable, and, if the builder had done it right, I'd have enough positive flotation to not going to the bottom of the ocean. The water was getting in too fast to be able to pump it out. I thought that the boat would get enough water in to stay floating in equilibrium and, after that, every gallon I pump out would be replaced by a new one. Call it Archimedes if you want. So I took my stuff and the emergency box (with flares and everything) out, plan how to take the life raft out... and stopped pumping.

It's a long story, but I'd like to thank the US Coast Guard, the LA lifeguard, the sailors who came back to stay around me until help arrived and, of course, everybody who is helping me with all this.

Interesting enough I did never internalize that the whole keel had gone until she turtled. And that happened just a few seconds after I jumped into the Lifeguard's boat with just wet feet. I like to think it was my own weight keeping her with the mast pointing to the sky... all those nice beers were finally useful!!

I guess I'll be missing some racing this season...

And yes, it did happen:

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STYacht.com

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Best to get out in front of this.

I learned about this shocker via FB the weekend that it happened. Obviously for a designer this is far up on the list of things that suck. The best thing anyone can say about this is that Santi is not hurt. That is a huge huge up side as far as I am concerned. We have spent the last days/weeks discussing the event with Santi, checking the photo record we have of the boat coming out of the yard, looking back into our assumptions and calculations and checking into the other boats built around the same time. We are in direct contact with the owners, one of whom is a marine surveyor himself.

712 was inspected yesterday, in fact, and 713 will be tomorrow. In the photo record for 714, and in the inspection of 712, important differences to the drawings were identified. But I cannot say that there is a smoking gun, or at least I have not identified it yet. We had a colleague look at our drawings to be sure they are clear, and are in line with his own expectations for laminates, floors and backing plates. We are waiting and hoping for a report from the inspection of 714 which gives laminate thicknesses, moisture content, resin content and other facts. Until we have facts, it is not a great idea to draw conclusions. Thus far, we are not worried about the quality of the design. It is looking like a sum of shortcomings overcoming the margins with an awful and remarkably sudden outcome.

The yard filed for bankruptcy late last year, or so I am told. In response to another matter altogether.

ST has offered to do what it can to help Santi get back on the water. I am personally gutted by the image of his boat (our boat) upside down.

 

jsam31

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Santi,

As I always told you, if there's anything more we can do to help, don't hesitate.

It was hard enough to see your boat capsize that day...it's even more painful to see her at the boat yard, keelless.

Good thing you are ok. Coastguards were awesome. One of them broke a couple of ribs helping Santi that day. Tough guys.

Don't give up on Mini racing. Hope we'll see you back on the water soon.

Sincerely,

Jerome

 
Santi,

I heard about this via FB when it happened as well. A real shocker to say the least. First off, i'm glad to hear that you are okay. I know the feeling of dropping a keel, and it's one that I don't wish on anyone. So sorry to hear about your boat. But again really relieved that you are doing fine.

Things will work out the way that they are supposed to. Whether it's racing your dinghy or getting back into a Mini, I wish you the best in whatever you do. It was great to get to know you last year in the workup for SHTP. I am racing DH on 577 this year and hopefully joining the fleet on a P2 next year, so it it all works out, we'll race Mini's one day and talk about dropping keels over a cold beer!!

Best,

Ronnie Simpson

 
Sending a FB-message was the fastest way to let many people know what happened having very little battery left on my phone. Glad Doug and myself where connected there!

And I'd like to acknowledge all the help Doug and ST have provided me over the years with all the help I've needed to fix/modify/replace 714. No doubt a great help from nice people.

Let's see if we get some more data on 714 and I'm glad 712 and 713 are safe.

Hans, from DRYachts also saw my FB-message. Thanks also to him for all his support on my Mini (huge actually) adventure. And Evodio, at Driscoll Mission Bay... really nice people!

Coast guard and LA lifeguards were just great. I actually feel very bad that one of them got a broken rib. It could have been much, much worse, but I manage to scape totally unharmed. Thanks guys!

Also a big thanks to the sailors at SCCYC. When the lifeguards drop me at their docks (I had my car there) and they saw a weird guy with still the foul weather gear on walking on the docks at midnight, they asked me to go upstairs, to explain them the story and... they fed me and gave me a big glass of whisky. That felt soooo good!!! Amazing people there too...

Jerome, thanks a lot for your help and support too. I think it's just great all you and OpenSailing are doing to grow the Mini class in the USA. I definitely want to see a (fleet?) of Pogo2 racing to Hanalei Bay soon.

And big thanks to all my friends here in San Diego and remotely from all around the world. Glad you guys are there!!

As for me... well, my boat is in an insurance-provided storage place somewhere in CA. I'm doing paperwork, answering questions, providing pictures (I'm glad I posted lots of them on my blog!), and ... waiting. It's been very tough 2 years in order to get 714 in shape. Let's see how it goes from now on. In a week or so I'm travelling home. Back to Spain. I need some vacation to stay with all my old friends. Just eat and drink and enjoy. I know it'll be a great time. It has always been. Barcelona, here I come!

Hey, I saw the BWR boats leaving and I may even see some of them finishing, that'll be just great!!

I still want to make it to the starting line out of San Francisco towards Hanalei Bay in 2012, though. I know it sounds crazy, but, after all... what else could go wrong?

 
Santi,

I heard about this via FB when it happened as well. A real shocker to say the least. First off, i'm glad to hear that you are okay. I know the feeling of dropping a keel, and it's one that I don't wish on anyone. So sorry to hear about your boat. But again really relieved that you are doing fine.

Things will work out the way that they are supposed to. Whether it's racing your dinghy or getting back into a Mini, I wish you the best in whatever you do. It was great to get to know you last year in the workup for SHTP. I am racing DH on 577 this year and hopefully joining the fleet on a P2 next year, so it it all works out, we'll race Mini's one day and talk about dropping keels over a cold beer!!

Best,

Ronnie Simpson
Hi Ronnie,

You may not believe it, but after all this mess, I've been thinking quite a lot about your keel-issues. I followed it just here in SA. Amazing what you guys did!

The clever thing for me would be to forget 'big' (ie, keel) boats and try to finally learn to sail my Finn... But I've never done what I was supposed to, so I'm not sure that'll happen now.

I've seen your videos sailing 577. Very cool! All best, and hope the talks about keels dropping happen after both of us finish SHTP 2012... in just over a year!

 

LeoV

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All the best Santi, this sucks.

Point for the Mini owners, CM has increased the needed volume of the foam.

The serie mini I build, had more then required and still was just above the waterline... As Andy has shown in the past (no keel failure).

And for P2 owners, check the foam in your boat, many owners have taken some foam out, out of stupidity.

Talking about the stern foam.

 

Raz'r

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Wow, wow, wow. Sorry to hear it.

Something that should never, ever happen. Happening too much.

Any ideas on the plans? Let the insurance total it, but it back and refurb? or too concerned about what might happen next with this one?

 
Thanks Leo. If I remember correctly the builder told me 714 had some extra foam too.

Any ideas on the plans? Let the insurance total it, but it back and refurb? or too concerned about what might happen next with this one?
I don't know yet. I'll have to wait for the insurance (I have no money left) and then see what they offer and what other options are. I'd love to be able to race to Hawaii in 2012, in a mini or in something else. Ideally something fun.

My biggest issue is that I did spent every single ounce of energy I had during the last 2 years in 714. And when I thought she was ready...

 

STYacht.com

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Did the bolts ripped through the frames ? Cant see the frames on the photo.

Oh, and I hope you do not give up the dream...
Leo, the vast majority of the thickened skin area of the keel flange area went with the keel. This is not a case of the bolts pulling through. You can see a round trace of the middle rows of keel bolts, but only pulling through the last ply or two.

Other facts: the builder apparently missed the forward most keel floor which should have been in the battery box. That is certainly a prime candidate for the cause. The pitching motion of the boat would have really stressed the laminate on the remaining three floors, the forward bolt being free to push and pull without enough stiffness. Not sure if that alone is enough to cause a failure without other aspects (possible dry laminate, poor taping and no fillets, loose or uneven bolts for example). We are going to simulate that build error and others. The failure was almost certainly progressive and not caused by one single heel or pitch event.

The other two boats, especially 713 have been through a lot. I was on the phone to Ysbrand today and he confirmed that he put the masthead in the water on the Dos Oceanos more than once. 40+ knots of TWS. There are some issues with 712 and 713 we have uncovered in this weeks inspection, but after 1000s of miles nothing like what happened to Santi.

 
Saw the boat in the yard where our boat is, I guess he works with several of the insurance companies to hold boats for them. Glad to hear you are ok, sorry to hear of your loss. Wondered what the story was with it, SA comes through as usual....

 
Saw the boat in the yard where our boat is, I guess he works with several of the insurance companies to hold boats for them. Glad to hear you are ok, sorry to hear of your loss. Wondered what the story was with it, SA comes through as usual....
The lifeguards had to choose a place to drop my boat after the tow, so it ended up at that boat yard. I told the insurance she was there...

I've put together the events timeline and I'll post it here shortly. Hopefully will give other people insights of what happens when you find yourself in something like this.

 

NAMT

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Hi Santi,

Just catching up on Mini news & read your story.

Really happy to know you are safe & the Coasties were there for you.

I hope the insurance & re-build of the keel box & a new keel are not going to be another nightmare.

Thanks for the detailed report, keep us informed, maybe there will be some help we can provide.

Adrian

 

U20guy2

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Spooky stuff glad your Ok. Given how deep those floor frames are it seems like they could have built your rig with a slotted type keel box vs the classic bonded frames across the inner hull skin with keel bolts simply bolted to the skin with backing plates.

Those open 20's are super cool boats with lots of really interesting design ideas not to mention really deep keels. Hope your able to get it all sorted out and end up back on the boat and sailing her again.

 
Thanks Adrian,

Really happy that everything happened when and where it happen, as I was on my way to round Begg Rock, about 70nm out there. Insurance (whenever the case is cleared) will definitely help cover the hole, but still...

Thanks U20guy2,

I've learnt and fixed a ton of things on minis in the last 2 years, but I never, ever, thought the keel was going to leave me. I know there are some investigations going on in order to figure out what happened. I really can't wait to know what the problem or problems were. It seems, though, that the two sisterships in europe are ok...

For completeness, two more pics, one is the interior of 714 showing the keel attachement (showing really big bolts and washers in there), and the other shows the very first place where the water was getting in (and I put towels in there), just aft of the aft-most frame. When I saw that area at the boat yard, I could not believe it was totally intact except from being 'just unglued' from the hull.

(I'm sure there is an easier way to add images here, but this is the only one I've managed to find)

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