....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...
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Plenty of good video/photos/feedback from the event here.
https://www.facebook.com/waszpgames/
Big whisper in Aus that the next one will be in Perth - flat and fast track.
https://www.facebook.com/waszpgames/
Big whisper in Aus that the next one will be in Perth - flat and fast track.
darth reapius
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luftspringaren
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I sold mine (one of the above) and have bought a used Mach2. The Waszp sold immediately, I think the Waszp has good momentum in the youth category.
Where I sail the launch/retrieve from a short concrete ramp was a mess, and light wind evenings with 7-9knots of wind and Moths foiling all around while Waszps were lowriding were the deciding factors. Had I been living near a beach with sea breeze I would still have the Waszp, cool and very FUN boat!
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Interesting comments, I have a few questions. How much breeze does it take for foiling? There are a few near where I sail and they seem to get up in 7-8kn (salt water), do you think it was technique or the boat?Where I sail the launch/retrieve from a short concrete ramp was a mess, and light wind evenings with 7-9knots of wind and Moths foiling all around while Waszps were lowriding were the deciding factors. Had I been living near a beach with sea breeze I would still have the Waszp, cool and very FUN boat!
Has anyone fitted an adjustable wand for club sailing (not class legal but why not when it doesn't matter)? Can they be setup for higher ride height in light weather (lengthen a pushrod somewhere)?
How are the alloy foils holding up? Is corrosion or abrasive wear in the hinge an issue?
What's the issue with launch and retrieve? In low–rider days, I'd wheel it into about knee–deep water, capsize it, fit the foils then float it beyond foil depth before righting. Pretty much the reverse for retrieval. Doesn't that method work for a Wazp?
17mika
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Regarding waszp take-off speed, my take is 2 knots more than a moth with medium/big foils, all other things equal. so I guess 9-10 knots for an 80kg person. maybe 8 for smaller guys. I was confortably flying in 10 knots (I'm 65), and probably could have flown in a little less wind.
There is definitely though a condition when moths are flying and waszps are not. So big guys who don't want to race IMHO could seriously think about getting the big waszp mainfoil.
There is definitely though a condition when moths are flying and waszps are not. So big guys who don't want to race IMHO could seriously think about getting the big waszp mainfoil.
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luftspringaren
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I'd think you need 9-10knots to fly the Waszp (not sure of the saline percentage in the Baltic...) at least as a beginner
Alloy foils holding up very well! - no aging or problems at all! (again Baltic may be different to Atlantic), some signs of age on gantry, flaking paint, but only cosmetic.
Launch was fine except big waves and big onshore wind, but I guess a Moth will have the same risks then. Retrieve was hard because it was too deep to stand at ramp end, I had to capsize the boat close to ramp, swim in, fit trolley with the boat on its side while standing on ramp edge, and then right the boat onto ramp, the wings always got chafed against the sharp edge of the concrete ramp, with onshore waves and big wind it was problematic. But with a beach where you can wheel it in and out - no problem! Had I been living near a beach with sea breeze I would still have the Waszp, cool and very FUN boat!
I've not sailed a waszp, but several times I have watchwd people launching them. I make no comment about how they sail but they do seem to take a long time get started.
It seems to take up to 10 minutes to roll the boat into he water, then get it off the trolley, either get someone to hold it or take the trolley away, try to get the foils down, and usually in the last two steps the boat capsizes, after which they need to swim the boat out to deep waterbefore righting it. It seems to ocupy the ramp for so long it get frustrating for the other people waiting to launch. Any attempts I have observed to get on the boat with the foils up has ended in capsize and reversion to previous procedure.
Lifting a moth into the water fully rigged seems like a much simpler and quicker option.
It seems to take up to 10 minutes to roll the boat into he water, then get it off the trolley, either get someone to hold it or take the trolley away, try to get the foils down, and usually in the last two steps the boat capsizes, after which they need to swim the boat out to deep waterbefore righting it. It seems to ocupy the ramp for so long it get frustrating for the other people waiting to launch. Any attempts I have observed to get on the boat with the foils up has ended in capsize and reversion to previous procedure.
Lifting a moth into the water fully rigged seems like a much simpler and quicker option.
Minimum weight in the WASZP rules is TBA but it's probably what, 45kg? Heavy, and I doubt it balances evenly if you carry it on its side with the light/minimal rig and heavy foils... Difficult to carry, difficult to launch like a regular dinghy. Launching situation isn't great by the sound of it.
Owners, is launching solo genuinely easy like Amac promised?
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Major Tom
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I think that is the nature of camber induced sails, they are always powered up, even if the wind is on the leeward side of the sail.
You've been spoiled Phil, Moths are pretty quick to launch if the operator knows what they're doing. Go launch at an all-boats or mixed fleet club with lots of juniors and boats with multiple crew… ;-)
Bcparfitt
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Can any Waszp owners provide length and width of the boat and trolley package? I'm interested to know if it is something that would fit into the bed of a Toyota Tacoma.
Thanks in advance!
Brian
Thanks in advance!
Brian
Trovão
Super Anarchist
http://www.waszp.com/the-boat
GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS
- Length: 3.35m
- Width Packed: 43cm
- Width Folded: 1m
- Width Sailing: 2.25m
- Draft launching: 20cm
- Draft ‘low riding’: 1m
- Draft foiling: You choose!
- Overall weight: 48 kilos fully rigged with foils
- Minimum foiling cruise wind speed: 5 knots
- Minimum lift off wind speed: 7 knots
- Top speed: 24 knots+
Trovão
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just received this from the kind waszp folks.
Bcparfitt
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Perfect! Thanks Trovao! That may be worth stickying that at the top of the thread...
SeanPurdy
Member
I trolley the boat into the water then flip it over onto one of the wings, remove the trolley, put the foils down with the boat on its side, float/lift it out to deeper water, right it and sail off. I haven’t timed it but I reckon it’s well under five minutes and easily done without assistance.
The moth approach of getting the foils rigged then carrying it in is a non-starter for me, because the boat’s around 50kg, there’s no balance point to put a shoulder under, and I’m a skinny weakling.
I haven’t bothered with the advertised “put the foils down while sailing the boat” approach because I Iaunch into quite a confined area and need some proper control to get out into clear water. Plus it looks like an invitation to capsize.
So I use a kind of waszp/moth hybrid technique – and I don’t think it’s earned me a reputation as a ramp hog.
Bcparfitt
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SeanPurdy - What do you do with the trolley after you remove it from the boat? I've thought about rigging up a stake with small block and retrieval line so I could pull the trolley up onto the beach from the water while solo. I could then toss the retrieval line back onto the beach from where I was in the water.
I may be overthinking that though. May only be necessary on windier days with some waves.
I may be overthinking that though. May only be necessary on windier days with some waves.
SeanPurdy
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Bcparfitt - I usually launch off a concrete ramp at a sailing club so just put the trolley out of the way up the ramp. The boat is fine left on its side with the wing bar on the seabed and only some of the weight taken by buoyancy - probably waste deep water. That means it stays put when you take the trolley away but is easy to lift/drag into deeper water once the foils are down. Just reverse this on return, making sure to capsize in deep enough water to not bash the foils, and then drag/lift into shallower water to sit it on the wing bar while you collect the trolley.
I don't have to contend with onshore waves, which would make it a bit more challenging. But I have come ashore at another venue in a fresh onshore breeze and waves onto a steepish (and slippery) concrete reservoir ramp. It was hard work but I managed it solo with a bit of grunt and swearing.
Also, if it's breezy I make sure to lay it over so the main will stay in the water and not get wind under it and flip it upright. So the main needs to be on the downward side of the raised main foil and with battens popped towards the water (if that makes sense). You can always lay the trolley across the sail to keep it down while fixing the foils, though I haven't had to do this.
I don't have to contend with onshore waves, which would make it a bit more challenging. But I have come ashore at another venue in a fresh onshore breeze and waves onto a steepish (and slippery) concrete reservoir ramp. It was hard work but I managed it solo with a bit of grunt and swearing.
Also, if it's breezy I make sure to lay it over so the main will stay in the water and not get wind under it and flip it upright. So the main needs to be on the downward side of the raised main foil and with battens popped towards the water (if that makes sense). You can always lay the trolley across the sail to keep it down while fixing the foils, though I haven't had to do this.
acroglia
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Any other user updates / reviews from folks? Getting ready to order mine for summer 2018 on Lake Erie. First on Lake Erie, maybe? Would love a few more reviews to read!!
