Greta

Gissie

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The greenhouse house effect happened on a human scale, not a a geological scale. To reverse the damage done, we don't have to dig holes to bury the carbon in it, just storing material made by photosynthesis will do the trick.
We would need to cover the world in material made by photosynthesis and leave it there. Millions of square kilometers. No eating it or using it, just leave it behind. Apart from the shit that dies, then we would need to make sure that was quickly replaced.

So where are all the veges going to be grown (meat being a no no) and the people live. Or do we just insist that countries like Brazil keep the forests in place. Plus how long will it take to grow all this stuff to sequester the co2, according to Grets we have a very small time frame and her childhood has gone. Of course she is a teenager so not surprised really. If we are looking at a minimum of 30 years to get this stuff organised, in the ground and big enough to make a difference it is all over rover. The science is settled, go down this route and we are extinct. Much like the beloved parrot. Next theory?

 

duncan (the other one)

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Sod off swampy!  A re-run of the 2005 stock-exchange Kyoto protests.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kyoto-protest-beaten-back-by-inflamed-petrol-traders-fgbj5d9ngl5

Kyoto protest beaten back by inflamed petrol traders

WHEN 35 Greenpeace protesters stormed the International Petroleum Exchange (IPE) yesterday they had planned the operation in great detail.

What they were not prepared for was the post-prandial aggression of oil traders who kicked and punched them back on to the pavement.

“We bit off more than we could chew. They were just Cockney barrow boy spivs. Total thugs,” one protester said, rubbing his bruised skull. “I’ve never seen anyone less amenable to listening to our point of view.”

Another said: “I took on a Texan Swat team at Esso last year and they were angels compared with this lot.” Behind him, on the balcony of the pub opposite the IPE, a bleary-eyed trader, pint in hand, yelled: “Sod off, Swampy.”

 

Panoramix

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Rubbish. We've burned gigatonnes of fossil fuel. There's literally no way we can grow enough trees (phytoplankton, you name it) that'll make the slightest difference in say 100 years, that being the period when the consumption of fossil fuels really ramped up.

And that's assuming that you can sequester the carbon fixed rather than it recycling. Which means stopping the respiration of forests, phytoplankton etc etc and laying down new coal beds, massive limestone formations et al.

It's not possible.

FKT
Mr "Can't do it" is back

1 cubic meter of timber is about 300kg of carbon, the roof of Notre Dame was about 3000 cubic metre of timber, so that's 900 000 kg of Carbon.

The emissions of a reasonably good car is 100g/km.

So the Notre Dame roof is the carbon sink of 9 millions kilometre of driving a reasonably efficient car. So one person averages 10 000km/year driving, that is about 900 years of driving.

OK, one roof will not save the planet but if using natural materials to make buildings and "stuff" was to become the norm, with our obsession to accumulate stuff, it could become part of the solution.

 

Panoramix

Super Anarchist
We would need to cover the world in material made by photosynthesis and leave it there. Millions of square kilometers. No eating it or using it, just leave it behind. Apart from the shit that dies, then we would need to make sure that was quickly replaced.

So where are all the veges going to be grown (meat being a no no) and the people live. Or do we just insist that countries like Brazil keep the forests in place. Plus how long will it take to grow all this stuff to sequester the co2, according to Grets we have a very small time frame and her childhood has gone. Of course she is a teenager so not surprised really. If we are looking at a minimum of 30 years to get this stuff organised, in the ground and big enough to make a difference it is all over rover. The science is settled, go down this route and we are extinct. Much like the beloved parrot. Next theory?
Why?

 
3 hours ago, mad said:


What a great idea!

If Our Revolution could prevent people from getting to work, then they would not spend their days producing goods and services that spew carbon dioxide into the atmosphere! 

Brilliant! 

We just need more followers willing to climb onto commuter trains during morning rush. 

 

fastyacht

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Mr "Can't do it" is back

1 cubic meter of timber is about 300kg of carbon, the roof of Notre Dame was about 3000 cubic metre of timber, so that's 900 000 kg of Carbon.

The emissions of a reasonably good car is 100g/km.

So the Notre Dame roof is the carbon sink of 9 millions kilometre of driving a reasonably efficient car. So one person averages 10 000km/year driving, that is about 900 years of driving.

OK, one roof will not save the planet but if using natural materials to make buildings and "stuff" was to become the norm, with our obsession to accumulate stuff, it could become part of the solution.
Round these parts 25k MILES a year is more typical. And cars are only 20% of the carbon give/take. I think it's a Fool's Errand but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. The thought of carbon sequestration through WEST construction came to me too some years back. It occurred to me that ironically the US sequesters a lot more carbon in construction than does EU. We build wooden hosues. EU builds concrete stuff. But that's mostly because Europed used up all its timber by the year 1750 in shipbuilding.

 
Whose paying for and road managing the 9 month tour shes on?
My new friend Al Gore says there’s big money to be made in Big Climate. I’ve got a book deal in the works, speaking fees guaranteed, a free electric car, and places to stay here in North America. 

I should be in school, but hey things are good here, no rush. 

 

Panoramix

Super Anarchist
Round these parts 25k MILES a year is more typical. And cars are only 20% of the carbon give/take. I think it's a Fool's Errand but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. The thought of carbon sequestration through WEST construction came to me too some years back. It occurred to me that ironically the US sequesters a lot more carbon in construction than does EU. We build wooden hosues. EU builds concrete stuff. But that's mostly because Europed used up all its timber by the year 1750 in shipbuilding.
Blimey, that's a lot of driving... nevertheless I imagine that not all of this driving is done with just one person in the car.

My car doesn't get a lot of miles (less than 10 000km) but then I don't think that my driving is typical and the average French car my get more. I don't even do it for the environment, I just hate to spend half a day in the car (I will do anything to catch a train instead, at least I can read/work meanwhile) and for short distances I cycle faster.

For the European construction industry, you are indeed right. I work in the construction industry, I am specialised in bio-sourced stuff (mainly timber and straw), and it is amazing how strong the French concrete industry lobby is. They brainwashed architects and planners, fortunately the new generation is less naive. There is lot of timber left in Europe, in France we are not even managing to keep up with forest growth, many forests were replanted after WW2.

 

hasher

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My new friend Al Gore says there’s big money to be made in Big Climate. I’ve got a book deal in the works, speaking fees guaranteed, a free electric car, and places to stay here in North America. 

I should be in school, but hey things are good here, no rush. 
The little don says he loves coal.  I wish he could visit London in the 1960's via a time machine.

I find it just terrible that the air and water are cleaner.  Was that science?

No rush, let's watch people die in mass quantities before we act.  That's not science.

 

Foolish

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This is crap. What a bunch of pansies. It is Greta’s and any other uneducated manipulated child’s right to speak what ever bullshit they want. Banning her from speaking removes both her right to freedom of speech and our right to rip the piss out of the shit that flows from her mouth. 

This is just wrong.
I wondered who would fall for this.  Joke's on you.

 

Sail4beer

Starboard!
Round these parts 25k MILES a year is more typical. And cars are only 20% of the carbon give/take. I think it's a Fool's Errand but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. The thought of carbon sequestration through WEST construction came to me too some years back. It occurred to me that ironically the US sequesters a lot more carbon in construction than does EU. We build wooden hosues. EU builds concrete stuff. But that's mostly because Europed used up all its timber by the year 1750 in shipbuilding.
Warship building, that is.

The British Navy was built with Irish timber, otherwise the Celtic Island would be loaded with forests.

 

fastyacht

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Warship building, that is.

The British Navy was built with Irish timber, otherwise the Celtic Island would be loaded with forests.
As I remember it the British Admiralty salivated over the coast Douglas firs in Oregon. They called them "Oregon pine." There was some story about using a whole tree of suitable girth was stronger because of undisturbed sapwood and the prestress carried by heart.

 
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