Grounds for Redress? "Pin Boat" at a downwind start

fastyacht

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Also, who started this "IRPCAS" abbreviation? In the US it has been COLREGS since forever. That's how the Coast Guard abbreviated it as described in the applicable NVIC. Why is this alternative cropping up? IS it like having to change IYRU to ISAF (which should be ISF but that was taken. Lame.)
People are using IRPCAS because that's the wording in the preamble to RRS Part 2. And it's that way in the RRS because it's an international document.
OK, but the international thing makes no sense. IMO calls it COLREGs...

http://www.imo.org/a...ges/colreg.aspx

 
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familysailor

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Also, who started this "IRPCAS" abbreviation? In the US it has been COLREGS since forever. That's how the Coast Guard abbreviated it as described in the applicable NVIC. Why is this alternative cropping up? IS it like having to change IYRU to ISAF (which should be ISF but that was taken. Lame.)
People are using IRPCAS because that's the wording in the preamble to RRS Part 2. And it's that way in the RRS because it's an international document.
OK, but the international thing makes no sense. IMO calls it COLREGs...

http://www.imo.org/a...ges/colreg.aspx

I agree, COLREGs Is more common among us common folks, but COLREG seems to be from COnventiion L? REGulation---

Whereas IRPACS comes from International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (so, are they saying "International Regulations Preventing At Collisions Sea" ???) At belongs here somewhere

Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972 (COLREGs)

Where is an abbreviation specialist when you need one?

 
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fastyacht

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Also, who started this "IRPCAS" abbreviation? In the US it has been COLREGS since forever. That's how the Coast Guard abbreviated it as described in the applicable NVIC. Why is this alternative cropping up? IS it like having to change IYRU to ISAF (which should be ISF but that was taken. Lame.)
People are using IRPCAS because that's the wording in the preamble to RRS Part 2. And it's that way in the RRS because it's an international document.
OK, but the international thing makes no sense. IMO calls it COLREGs...

http://www.imo.org/a...ges/colreg.aspx

I agree, COLREGs Is more common among us common folks, but COLREG seems to be from COnventiion L? REGulation---

Whereas IRPACS comes from International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (so, are they saying "International Regulations Preventing At Collisions Sea" ???) At belongs here somewhere

Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972 (COLREGs)

Where is an abbreviation specialist when you need one?
LOL. They must have them in the military. You ever seen the DOD "booklet" of all the acronyms? Insane. It's like the freakin' Webster's.

International Regulations for Preventing Collisions At Sea

I see COLREG as COLlision REGulation

 
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familysailor

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Also, who started this "IRPCAS" abbreviation? In the US it has been COLREGS since forever. That's how the Coast Guard abbreviated it as described in the applicable NVIC. Why is this alternative cropping up? IS it like having to change IYRU to ISAF (which should be ISF but that was taken. Lame.)
People are using IRPCAS because that's the wording in the preamble to RRS Part 2. And it's that way in the RRS because it's an international document.
OK, but the international thing makes no sense. IMO calls it COLREGs...

http://www.imo.org/a...ges/colreg.aspx

I agree, COLREGs Is more common among us common folks, but COLREG seems to be from COnventiion L? REGulation---

Whereas IRPACS comes from International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (so, are they saying "International Regulations Preventing At Collisions Sea" ???) At belongs here somewhere

Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972 (COLREGs)

Where is an abbreviation specialist when you need one?
LOL. They must have them in the military. You ever seen the DOD "booklet" of all the acronyms? Insane. It's like the freakin' Webster's.

International Regulations for Preventing Collisions At Sea

I see COLREG as COLlision REGulation
As I said. COLREGs works for me. Maybe we can all start referring to section two IRPACS as AKA COLREGs.....

 

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OK, once again, what do we know?

Was Black a mark?

Here's the definition of Mark:

"Mark An object the sailing instructions require a boat to leave on a specified side, and a race committee boat surrounded by navigable water from which the starting or finishing line extends. An anchor line or an object attached temporarily or accidentally to a mark is not part of it."

Since the starting line did not "extend from" Black, and because Black was not "an object the sailing instructions require[d] a boat to leave on a specified side," Black was not a mark.

However, we know from the preamble of Part 2 that the relationship between Blue and Black was controlled by IRPCAS, and from the linked material in Marsden on Collisions, that under IRPCAS, Blue was obligated to keep clear of anchored vessels, including Black.

We know that under the definition of Rule, the rules include the preambles.

Rule 44 provides, in pertinent part:

"A boat may take a Two-Turns Penalty when she may have broken a rule of Part 2 while racing or a One-Turn Penalty when she may

have broken rule 31."

Since the Preamble to Part 2 IS a rule of Part 2, Blue can take a penalty under Rule 44 if she was racing at the time of the collision.

In order to get redress, Blue must show that she was not partially at fault in the incident. Were Blue's description showed that the incident occurred b/c Blue rounded up by a puff as she approach Black, it appears to me that Blue was partially at fault, and is not eligible for redress.

Game over.

 




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