Here's an idea that the left should love

D-mon

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I know, your ilk likes to call them "unintended consequences". Yet you never seem to learn from them.
Pretty well sums up most of your posts. Going to blame this on early Holiday drinking?
Chuck coined the term as far as I know- From his own mouth- concerning the abuse of public housing. What does pointing out the obvious that even your ilk recogonize have to do with drinking?
almost incoherent (often racist, always partisan) rantings?
Partisan? I am a conservative democrat friend. We have to have Social Security.

 

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Stupid idea, they're no different than business travelers. Imagine a world where you live in NYC but have to pay tax on a week's salary in California if you take a business trip there.
However the states they work (play) in should be collecting income tax from them already.

You guys just don't get it...you work yourself giddy over *stoopid* ideas that the "left will love" while having no real clue how "the left" actually thinks. Have at it though.
I know how the left thinks and it makes me sick-
You *think* you know how the left thinks and it makes you sick.

There is a large difference between your perception and reality. That is obvious from your posts and comments.

One thing the fucking idiots like you forget is that fundamentally the average person on "the left" has the same fundamental goal as the average person on "the right" - which is to do what is best for the country. The differences is in 1) what we think is best and 2) how we think we should get there.

For example you idiot douchebags continually state that "the left" likes taxes and likes to tax people - that taxing people is the END, not a means to get to an end. That is just idiotic. The difference is that we recognize you can't keep not paying for things you want to get done - you'd apparently prefer to keep piling on the deficits. Just one example of how you "know" how the left thinks.
It is lunch time BJ - Don't you have a buffett to go terrorize? (I was going to leave that out but you started with the "fucking idiots thing- so be it)

You fucks have no common sense when it comes to your entitlement thinking and enabling others to feel entitled; wanting to distribute money to lazy fucks who feel entitled to it without working as hard or as smart as others. Bleeding heart compassion is not what creates opportunity or INCENTIVE for those who want to WORK to succeed in this land of OPPORTUNITY, Not the "land of GUARANTEE you will have a house even if your stupid". The abuse of the dumb ass gov programs your ilk starts is staggering, I know, your ilk likes to call them "unintended consequences". Yet you never seem to learn from them.
I tire of loudmouthed douchebags doing Malarkey Mind Reads ™ then getting their panties in a bunch about it.

Please cite were I have stated support for any of the attitudes.

I am losing patience with the partisan stupidity. So long as you are telling me what I think and believe you are not listening to what I say.

I know, your ilk likes to call them "unintended consequences". Yet you never seem to learn from them.
Pretty well sums up most of your posts. Going to blame this on early Holiday drinking?
Chuck coined the term as far as I know- From his own mouth- concerning the abuse of public housing. What does pointing out the obvious that even your ilk recogonize have to do with drinking?
almost incoherent (often racist, always partisan) rantings?
Partisan? I am a conservative democrat friend. We have to have Social Security.
I am glad I wasn't sipping my coffee when I saw this.

 

Spatial Ed

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How about at tax on people who believe in sky gods. Those people are a drain on society and cause most of the strife.

 
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pfoley

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Stupid idea, they're no different than business travelers. Imagine a world where you live in NYC but have to pay tax on a week's salary in California if you take a business trip there.
However the states they work (play) in should be collecting income tax from them already.

You guys just don't get it...you work yourself giddy over *stoopid* ideas that the "left will love" while having no real clue how "the left" actually thinks. Have at it though.
Imagine a world where you go to NYC for business and get taxed on your income for the days you are there.

Stoopid idea, but it already happens if your company fits a description set by the NY gov't (not sure which one).

Great idea - make sure LESS people want to incorporate and/or run a business in NYC.

Or, as the left sees it, they're just paying "their fair share....."

 

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Stupid idea, they're no different than business travelers. Imagine a world where you live in NYC but have to pay tax on a week's salary in California if you take a business trip there.
However the states they work (play) in should be collecting income tax from them already.

You guys just don't get it...you work yourself giddy over *stoopid* ideas that the "left will love" while having no real clue how "the left" actually thinks. Have at it though.
Imagine a world where you go to NYC for business and get taxed on your income for the days you are there.

Stoopid idea, but it already happens if your company fits a description set by the NY gov't (not sure which one).

Great idea - make sure LESS people want to incorporate and/or run a business in NYC.

Or, as the left sees it, they're just paying "their fair share....."
Here we are with the "how the Left sees it" bullshit again.

As far as "paying their fair share" I would hazard a guess that in our household we pay more than our fair share than a lot of households with more income than us. Total tax bill (taxes PAID to the Fed, State & City including real estate) was a multiple of the median income around here last year.

Why are we paying MORE than our fair share as I bitch about a tax bill that is somewhere around 40% of our household income? Because the people that YOUR policies protect earn way more than our family does but pay less in taxes because they earn their money by being rich, not by working. We earn it primarily through my wife's working. I've elaborated on this before - but there are people out there "earning" the same money that we do as a household that are paying less than half the income taxes we are because their income isn't Wage income, it's investment income.

That really sucks - work should be taxed the same or lower than investment income. Talk about a disincentive to work!

Now I am absolutely 100% certain that you, as a member of the right, do not "see" your objectives as redistributing the wealth upwards to the top .1% of the income earners in the country by favoring a tax system that lets them pay minimal taxes while shifting the tax burdens mostly to the middle class and the working affluent. I do not think that is why you believe what you do and support the policies you do.

I do not believe that you "see" it that way, you think you are stimulating the economy and encouraging entrepreneurship and all that happy horseshit. But that's the "unintended consequence" of your gun ho capitalism-is-the-cure-for-everything approach to government; GWB showed pretty clearly what cutting taxes for the rich does to stimulate the economy...bupkes.

But I am not doing a Malarkey Mind Read™ here, I credit what you think and I believe you honestly have the what you perceive to best interests of the country at heart. I am responding to your words, not what I think is in your head.

But you're getting played.

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A interesting study on State taxes was recently released which showed than in many states - like RI where I live - the poor actually pay the largest percentage of their income to the state for taxes. Note this is State & Local only, NOT Federal

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/19/10-states...share-of-taxes/

Those are some of the conclusions of a new study released by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a nonpartisan research group. The report found that after itemized deductions, the richest 1 percent of Americans pay taxes at an average rate of 5.2 percent of their income. Middle-class residents, on average, pay taxes at a rate of 9.4 percent, and the poorest 20 percent pay at a rate of 10.9 percent.
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2009/ri_whopays_factsheet.pdf

Funny how the poorest 20% spend the largest amount on taxes, even though you all claim they don't pay any. The place where they pay less is in federal taxes, but the poor are still taxed 7.51% on FICA (which ends for the wealthy) and 1.45% on medicare.

 

junior_ratt

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I would much rather that the government put a mandatory tax on college students from out of the country if they intend to return to their foreign land. It's about fucking time we proactively stop the brain-drain as these student come here to get educated then leave and head nuclear weapons programs abroad.
That already exists in the form of much higher tuition for foreign students. It's not like they (for the majority) are in school on the tax-payer ride. And, chances are, if they're on a full ride, it's because they really are the best. Academic scholarships are the closest thing I can think of to a true meritocracy.

Besides, there's enough trouble finding domestic experts (or future experts) as is. I'm sure people like MoeAlfa know more about it than me, but I think there's already a serious lack of really talented people in post-graduate academics.

 

spankoka

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Actually the stipulations for a Canadian experience class visa do state that an applicant's education in Canada should not have been funded by an entity that would expect him or her to go home after a given course.

 

flaps15

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Stupid idea, they're no different than business travelers. Imagine a world where you live in NYC but have to pay tax on a week's salary in California if you take a business trip there.
However the states they work (play) in should be collecting income tax from them already.

You guys just don't get it...you work yourself giddy over *stoopid* ideas that the "left will love" while having no real clue how "the left" actually thinks. Have at it though.
Imagine a world where you go to NYC for business and get taxed on your income for the days you are there.

Stoopid idea, but it already happens if your company fits a description set by the NY gov't (not sure which one).

Great idea - make sure LESS people want to incorporate and/or run a business in NYC.

Or, as the left sees it, they're just paying "their fair share....."
Here we are with the "how the Left sees it" bullshit again.

As far as "paying their fair share" I would hazard a guess that in our household we pay more than our fair share than a lot of households with more income than us. Total tax bill (taxes PAID to the Fed, State & City including real estate) was a multiple of the median income around here last year.

Why are we paying MORE than our fair share as I bitch about a tax bill that is somewhere around 40% of our household income? Because the people that YOUR policies protect earn way more than our family does but pay less in taxes because they earn their money by being rich, not by working. We earn it primarily through my wife's working. I've elaborated on this before - but there are people out there "earning" the same money that we do as a household that are paying less than half the income taxes we are because their income isn't Wage income, it's investment income.

That really sucks - work should be taxed the same or lower than investment income. Talk about a disincentive to work!

Now I am absolutely 100% certain that you, as a member of the right, do not "see" your objectives as redistributing the wealth upwards to the top .1% of the income earners in the country by favoring a tax system that lets them pay minimal taxes while shifting the tax burdens mostly to the middle class and the working affluent. I do not think that is why you believe what you do and support the policies you do.

I do not believe that you "see" it that way, you think you are stimulating the economy and encouraging entrepreneurship and all that happy horseshit. But that's the "unintended consequence" of your gun ho capitalism-is-the-cure-for-everything approach to government; GWB showed pretty clearly what cutting taxes for the rich does to stimulate the economy...bupkes.

But I am not doing a Malarkey Mind Read here, I credit what you think and I believe you honestly have the what you perceive to best interests of the country at heart. I am responding to your words, not what I think is in your head.

But you're getting played.

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A interesting study on State taxes was recently released which showed than in many states - like RI where I live - the poor actually pay the largest percentage of their income to the state for taxes. Note this is State & Local only, NOT Federal

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/19/10-states...share-of-taxes/

Those are some of the conclusions of a new study released by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a nonpartisan research group. The report found that after itemized deductions, the richest 1 percent of Americans pay taxes at an average rate of 5.2 percent of their income. Middle-class residents, on average, pay taxes at a rate of 9.4 percent, and the poorest 20 percent pay at a rate of 10.9 percent.
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2009/ri_whopays_factsheet.pdf

Funny how the poorest 20% spend the largest amount on taxes, even though you all claim they don't pay any. The place where they pay less is in federal taxes, but the poor are still taxed 7.51% on FICA (which ends for the wealthy) and 1.45% on medicare.
I have a bit of a problem with your argument since it's hard to visualize Rhode Island in line with other States, only because it's about as big as a medium sized county in most real States in the US. I'll bet if I started in my car in Willoughby and raced to Ashtabula in Lake County, Ohio, while you started in Newport and raced to Providence in Rhode Island and we started at the same time you'd beat me by 15 mins. even with your bridges and tolls. Just sayin'. :D

 

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Stupid idea, they're no different than business travelers. Imagine a world where you live in NYC but have to pay tax on a week's salary in California if you take a business trip there.
However the states they work (play) in should be collecting income tax from them already.

You guys just don't get it...you work yourself giddy over *stoopid* ideas that the "left will love" while having no real clue how "the left" actually thinks. Have at it though.
Imagine a world where you go to NYC for business and get taxed on your income for the days you are there.

Stoopid idea, but it already happens if your company fits a description set by the NY gov't (not sure which one).

Great idea - make sure LESS people want to incorporate and/or run a business in NYC.

Or, as the left sees it, they're just paying "their fair share....."
Here we are with the "how the Left sees it" bullshit again.

As far as "paying their fair share" I would hazard a guess that in our household we pay more than our fair share than a lot of households with more income than us. Total tax bill (taxes PAID to the Fed, State & City including real estate) was a multiple of the median income around here last year.

Why are we paying MORE than our fair share as I bitch about a tax bill that is somewhere around 40% of our household income? Because the people that YOUR policies protect earn way more than our family does but pay less in taxes because they earn their money by being rich, not by working. We earn it primarily through my wife's working. I've elaborated on this before - but there are people out there "earning" the same money that we do as a household that are paying less than half the income taxes we are because their income isn't Wage income, it's investment income.

That really sucks - work should be taxed the same or lower than investment income. Talk about a disincentive to work!

Now I am absolutely 100% certain that you, as a member of the right, do not "see" your objectives as redistributing the wealth upwards to the top .1% of the income earners in the country by favoring a tax system that lets them pay minimal taxes while shifting the tax burdens mostly to the middle class and the working affluent. I do not think that is why you believe what you do and support the policies you do.

I do not believe that you "see" it that way, you think you are stimulating the economy and encouraging entrepreneurship and all that happy horseshit. But that's the "unintended consequence" of your gun ho capitalism-is-the-cure-for-everything approach to government; GWB showed pretty clearly what cutting taxes for the rich does to stimulate the economy...bupkes.

But I am not doing a Malarkey Mind Read™ here, I credit what you think and I believe you honestly have the what you perceive to best interests of the country at heart. I am responding to your words, not what I think is in your head.

But you're getting played.

-------------------------------

A interesting study on State taxes was recently released which showed than in many states - like RI where I live - the poor actually pay the largest percentage of their income to the state for taxes. Note this is State & Local only, NOT Federal

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/19/10-states...share-of-taxes/

Those are some of the conclusions of a new study released by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a nonpartisan research group. The report found that after itemized deductions, the richest 1 percent of Americans pay taxes at an average rate of 5.2 percent of their income. Middle-class residents, on average, pay taxes at a rate of 9.4 percent, and the poorest 20 percent pay at a rate of 10.9 percent.
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2009/ri_whopays_factsheet.pdf

Funny how the poorest 20% spend the largest amount on taxes, even though you all claim they don't pay any. The place where they pay less is in federal taxes, but the poor are still taxed 7.51% on FICA (which ends for the wealthy) and 1.45% on medicare.
I have a bit of a problem with your argument since it's hard to visualize Rhode Island in line with other States, only because it's about as big as a medium sized county in most real States in the US. I'll bet if I started in my car in Willoughby and raced to Ashtabula in Lake County, Ohio, while you started in Newport and raced to Providence in Rhode Island and we started at the same time you'd beat me by 15 mins. even with your bridges and tolls. Just sayin'. :D
We're about #43 in population. We have more people and money than say...Alaska. Hmm...guess that's not a real state either, eh?

 
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flaps15

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Stupid idea, they're no different than business travelers. Imagine a world where you live in NYC but have to pay tax on a week's salary in California if you take a business trip there.
However the states they work (play) in should be collecting income tax from them already.

You guys just don't get it...you work yourself giddy over *stoopid* ideas that the "left will love" while having no real clue how "the left" actually thinks. Have at it though.
Imagine a world where you go to NYC for business and get taxed on your income for the days you are there.

Stoopid idea, but it already happens if your company fits a description set by the NY gov't (not sure which one).

Great idea - make sure LESS people want to incorporate and/or run a business in NYC.

Or, as the left sees it, they're just paying "their fair share....."
Here we are with the "how the Left sees it" bullshit again.

As far as "paying their fair share" I would hazard a guess that in our household we pay more than our fair share than a lot of households with more income than us. Total tax bill (taxes PAID to the Fed, State & City including real estate) was a multiple of the median income around here last year.

Why are we paying MORE than our fair share as I bitch about a tax bill that is somewhere around 40% of our household income? Because the people that YOUR policies protect earn way more than our family does but pay less in taxes because they earn their money by being rich, not by working. We earn it primarily through my wife's working. I've elaborated on this before - but there are people out there "earning" the same money that we do as a household that are paying less than half the income taxes we are because their income isn't Wage income, it's investment income.

That really sucks - work should be taxed the same or lower than investment income. Talk about a disincentive to work!

Now I am absolutely 100% certain that you, as a member of the right, do not "see" your objectives as redistributing the wealth upwards to the top .1% of the income earners in the country by favoring a tax system that lets them pay minimal taxes while shifting the tax burdens mostly to the middle class and the working affluent. I do not think that is why you believe what you do and support the policies you do.

I do not believe that you "see" it that way, you think you are stimulating the economy and encouraging entrepreneurship and all that happy horseshit. But that's the "unintended consequence" of your gun ho capitalism-is-the-cure-for-everything approach to government; GWB showed pretty clearly what cutting taxes for the rich does to stimulate the economy...bupkes.

But I am not doing a Malarkey Mind Read™ here, I credit what you think and I believe you honestly have the what you perceive to best interests of the country at heart. I am responding to your words, not what I think is in your head.

But you're getting played.

-------------------------------

A interesting study on State taxes was recently released which showed than in many states - like RI where I live - the poor actually pay the largest percentage of their income to the state for taxes. Note this is State & Local only, NOT Federal

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/19/10-states...share-of-taxes/

Those are some of the conclusions of a new study released by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a nonpartisan research group. The report found that after itemized deductions, the richest 1 percent of Americans pay taxes at an average rate of 5.2 percent of their income. Middle-class residents, on average, pay taxes at a rate of 9.4 percent, and the poorest 20 percent pay at a rate of 10.9 percent.
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2009/ri_whopays_factsheet.pdf

Funny how the poorest 20% spend the largest amount on taxes, even though you all claim they don't pay any. The place where they pay less is in federal taxes, but the poor are still taxed 7.51% on FICA (which ends for the wealthy) and 1.45% on medicare.
I have a bit of a problem with your argument since it's hard to visualize Rhode Island in line with other States, only because it's about as big as a medium sized county in most real States in the US. I'll bet if I started in my car in Willoughby and raced to Ashtabula in Lake County, Ohio, while you started in Newport and raced to Providence in Rhode Island and we started at the same time you'd beat me by 15 mins. even with your bridges and tolls. Just sayin'. :D
We're about #43 in population. We have more people and money than say...Alaska. Hmm...guess that's not a real state either, eh?
So what your saying is you'd be in Providence before I got to Ashtabula. Correct? (sigh) Jeeezus lighten up.

 

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Stupid idea, they're no different than business travelers. Imagine a world where you live in NYC but have to pay tax on a week's salary in California if you take a business trip there.
However the states they work (play) in should be collecting income tax from them already.

You guys just don't get it...you work yourself giddy over *stoopid* ideas that the "left will love" while having no real clue how "the left" actually thinks. Have at it though.
Imagine a world where you go to NYC for business and get taxed on your income for the days you are there.

Stoopid idea, but it already happens if your company fits a description set by the NY gov't (not sure which one).

Great idea - make sure LESS people want to incorporate and/or run a business in NYC.

Or, as the left sees it, they're just paying "their fair share....."
Here we are with the "how the Left sees it" bullshit again.

As far as "paying their fair share" I would hazard a guess that in our household we pay more than our fair share than a lot of households with more income than us. Total tax bill (taxes PAID to the Fed, State & City including real estate) was a multiple of the median income around here last year.

Why are we paying MORE than our fair share as I bitch about a tax bill that is somewhere around 40% of our household income? Because the people that YOUR policies protect earn way more than our family does but pay less in taxes because they earn their money by being rich, not by working. We earn it primarily through my wife's working. I've elaborated on this before - but there are people out there "earning" the same money that we do as a household that are paying less than half the income taxes we are because their income isn't Wage income, it's investment income.

That really sucks - work should be taxed the same or lower than investment income. Talk about a disincentive to work!

Now I am absolutely 100% certain that you, as a member of the right, do not "see" your objectives as redistributing the wealth upwards to the top .1% of the income earners in the country by favoring a tax system that lets them pay minimal taxes while shifting the tax burdens mostly to the middle class and the working affluent. I do not think that is why you believe what you do and support the policies you do.

I do not believe that you "see" it that way, you think you are stimulating the economy and encouraging entrepreneurship and all that happy horseshit. But that's the "unintended consequence" of your gun ho capitalism-is-the-cure-for-everything approach to government; GWB showed pretty clearly what cutting taxes for the rich does to stimulate the economy...bupkes.

But I am not doing a Malarkey Mind Read™ here, I credit what you think and I believe you honestly have the what you perceive to best interests of the country at heart. I am responding to your words, not what I think is in your head.

But you're getting played.

-------------------------------

A interesting study on State taxes was recently released which showed than in many states - like RI where I live - the poor actually pay the largest percentage of their income to the state for taxes. Note this is State & Local only, NOT Federal

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/19/10-states...share-of-taxes/

Those are some of the conclusions of a new study released by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a nonpartisan research group. The report found that after itemized deductions, the richest 1 percent of Americans pay taxes at an average rate of 5.2 percent of their income. Middle-class residents, on average, pay taxes at a rate of 9.4 percent, and the poorest 20 percent pay at a rate of 10.9 percent.
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2009/ri_whopays_factsheet.pdf

Funny how the poorest 20% spend the largest amount on taxes, even though you all claim they don't pay any. The place where they pay less is in federal taxes, but the poor are still taxed 7.51% on FICA (which ends for the wealthy) and 1.45% on medicare.
I have a bit of a problem with your argument since it's hard to visualize Rhode Island in line with other States, only because it's about as big as a medium sized county in most real States in the US. I'll bet if I started in my car in Willoughby and raced to Ashtabula in Lake County, Ohio, while you started in Newport and raced to Providence in Rhode Island and we started at the same time you'd beat me by 15 mins. even with your bridges and tolls. Just sayin'. :D
We're about #43 in population. We have more people and money than say...Alaska. Hmm...guess that's not a real state either, eh?
So what your saying is you'd be in Providence before I got to Ashtabula. Correct? (sigh) Jeeezus lighten up.
Nope. But I might drive by more people on the way.

 
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