Timo42
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High School Sailing a cheeseball sport
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sumpin
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me too
Always willing to give my time to help sailing events.Such givers.Me to.
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alteredst88
Super Anarchist
Not to pick nits, but the NESSA Champs are at USCGA in Ct. And as a high school coach that works VERY hard to instill the ideals of fair sailing and respect for boats, the ocean, and one's competitors, put up or shut up. If you don't like the way HS sailing is run in your area, get your ass off the couch and do something to fix it.
G
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Dear G,
Sorry for the misinformation. Just trying to get more folks out there to see h.s. sailing, or failing, as I see it.
As far as the second comment about put up or shut up; I do and I did for probably longer than you have been alive and not without a bit of success.
Again, this bullshit about the problem being not me and my group IS the problem. Too many have been in the can too long and don't even see what is going on. Would it happen on a soccer pitch? RED CARD. Would it happen on a basketball court? EJECTION Would it happen on a hockey rink? THE BOX
Question: If one of your sailors refused to do circles and came to you and said, Coach, I'll just retire in sixth. I've done my damage. We won the race." Would you not be incensed? Personally I would be embarrassed for not teaching him how the scoring works. Would you sit him for a couple of weeks, knowing that his senior season is over? I would. I would assume as a responsible coach you would immediately take the loss. That's a given.
Too much bullshit and too little caring for the long term success of the sport. Simple as that.
That being said, I need to go. I have a hockey game this evening and a preworkout needs to be done and the beer needs to be chilled.
Have a wonderful day and good luck at the Coast Guard regatta.
Again, sorry for the misinformation.
Sorry for the misinformation. Just trying to get more folks out there to see h.s. sailing, or failing, as I see it.
As far as the second comment about put up or shut up; I do and I did for probably longer than you have been alive and not without a bit of success.
Again, this bullshit about the problem being not me and my group IS the problem. Too many have been in the can too long and don't even see what is going on. Would it happen on a soccer pitch? RED CARD. Would it happen on a basketball court? EJECTION Would it happen on a hockey rink? THE BOX
Question: If one of your sailors refused to do circles and came to you and said, Coach, I'll just retire in sixth. I've done my damage. We won the race." Would you not be incensed? Personally I would be embarrassed for not teaching him how the scoring works. Would you sit him for a couple of weeks, knowing that his senior season is over? I would. I would assume as a responsible coach you would immediately take the loss. That's a given.
Too much bullshit and too little caring for the long term success of the sport. Simple as that.
That being said, I need to go. I have a hockey game this evening and a preworkout needs to be done and the beer needs to be chilled.
Have a wonderful day and good luck at the Coast Guard regatta.
Again, sorry for the misinformation.
My son sailed for one of the top schools here in San Diego and was one of many recipients of fine coaching. They went on and won several HS national champs, and he is now a coach for another YC.
Two HS teams practice 4 nights a week less than 100 yards from here, and I hear all that goes on in practices. Nothing like what the first poster says happens. While my son was sailing in HS, i drew the short parent straw and went along as chaperon for one away regretta per year. While away I often had the opportunity to go out in a spectator boat and watch. Again among the SO Cal races I attended, I never saw anything like the attitude mentioned..
Perhaps I should go east and watch how its done back there!
Two HS teams practice 4 nights a week less than 100 yards from here, and I hear all that goes on in practices. Nothing like what the first poster says happens. While my son was sailing in HS, i drew the short parent straw and went along as chaperon for one away regretta per year. While away I often had the opportunity to go out in a spectator boat and watch. Again among the SO Cal races I attended, I never saw anything like the attitude mentioned..
Perhaps I should go east and watch how its done back there!
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
Well, a couple of problems with the scenario you suggest above... to foul a competitor and gain a significant advantage would not be exonerable by doing circles anyway. To deliberately do so, and attempt to exonerate by retiring in another race, would almost certainly be a Rule 2/69 violation and could get the team banned. That said, I could picture it happening in some venues.
I have little involvement with high school racing, but from what I have seen it's more Corinthian than college sailing, and college sailing in the worst venue I saw was not as bad as what you're saying. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems like you are trying hard to see things in the worst possible light. Especially when your little attitude issues are thrown in.
One reason I am not particularly involved with high school racing is that our program (linky link) is not really about racing but about seamnship, teamwork, and leadership. Very few of the student sailors come in with any sailing experience, and only half achieve the basic sailing qualification, and only about half of -those- stick around for "advanced sailing" which occasionally includes racing practices with other schools and occasionally races. The ISSA region took a very dim view of us and refused to let us host a regatta so we don't play in their sandbox; OTOH we have a 5O5 and the better kids get to sail that for funsies.
FB- Doug
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You are correct and the team lost the race because of this, but only after I had to make the rules clear to the protest committee.
So here we have a sailor, a coach and a protest committee, made up of other coaches, all ignorant of the rules. Frustrated? Yes.
Surprised? No, not with what I have seen.
As to seeing things in the worst possible light. I don't think so. You state yourself that you are not particlularly involved in h.s. sailing. My point was, "Check it out." and then you can judge for yourself.
Programs like yours and community programs are the backbone and future of this sport. For far too many yacht clubs sailing is just something pretty to look at at cocktail time. ISSA treated you just like it has treated the coop team issue. They have a very short sighted view of the way the sport will run. The sad thing is that it has been my experience that it hasn't changed much for the better over the past 30 years. Old school thinking. It reminds me of a statement made by a local yc commodore when told that perhaps the fleet would prefer to sail on the other side of the breakwater where the wind and waves are better. It seemed like a good idea when I heard it, sailors are happy, sailors are looking for more of a challenge, rc doesn't mind. His response, "I'll be damned if I do anything that a group of snot nosed kids suggest." So, it was a no go. Fleet numbers dwindled, etc.
Best situation; allow coop teams, certify sailing judges and pay them to judge high school sailing events the same way as you use certified refs in other h.s. sports, all events local on up. Coaches should have to pass an intense written test on the rules, perhaps as part of the certification process .
Will this happen? Probably not. ISSA, like US Sailing is very backward looking.
So here we have a sailor, a coach and a protest committee, made up of other coaches, all ignorant of the rules. Frustrated? Yes.
Surprised? No, not with what I have seen.
As to seeing things in the worst possible light. I don't think so. You state yourself that you are not particlularly involved in h.s. sailing. My point was, "Check it out." and then you can judge for yourself.
Programs like yours and community programs are the backbone and future of this sport. For far too many yacht clubs sailing is just something pretty to look at at cocktail time. ISSA treated you just like it has treated the coop team issue. They have a very short sighted view of the way the sport will run. The sad thing is that it has been my experience that it hasn't changed much for the better over the past 30 years. Old school thinking. It reminds me of a statement made by a local yc commodore when told that perhaps the fleet would prefer to sail on the other side of the breakwater where the wind and waves are better. It seemed like a good idea when I heard it, sailors are happy, sailors are looking for more of a challenge, rc doesn't mind. His response, "I'll be damned if I do anything that a group of snot nosed kids suggest." So, it was a no go. Fleet numbers dwindled, etc.
Best situation; allow coop teams, certify sailing judges and pay them to judge high school sailing events the same way as you use certified refs in other h.s. sports, all events local on up. Coaches should have to pass an intense written test on the rules, perhaps as part of the certification process .
Will this happen? Probably not. ISSA, like US Sailing is very backward looking.
corvallisc
New member
Ok, as a newbie I should show my girlfriends tits before I reply.
So OG you are pretty lame to come on this forum with bitching about HS sailing and painting the whole country as some wasteland of morals with coaches who don't know/care about the rules. Please don't put me or the coaches I work with on the West Coast in that picture. Keep your small petty little world to yourself and stop using stereotypes to describe all HS coaches.
B.Wilkinson
Member
You sound like the kid who didn't get picked first in gym class, or didn't get the toy you wanted.
You want to get in sailing with people who aren't "cheese balls" get off the computer, call some people up and make it happen.
