Great job on these - always nice to see a sailboat bright back to life. I enjoy my hobie holder 12 (owned by Coleman at the time of build) on a local lake in CT in original condition. Oddly enough there's another one on our small lake as well. Weather helm in a stiff wind is common for me but I also have squirrelly wind which means I'm hopping off and on the rail as it varies. I don't have a main sheet clete so happy I don't have a jib to manage. Still I think adding a job would make it even jumpier except maybe on a broad reach. Looks like you've secured your rudder and daggerboard but I hear about many who lose those in a capsize and that's the end of the boat value... At least for mere mortals who lack your skills in fabrication. Enjoy them!
HobieOne with Laser rigging
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My daggerboard is secured to the boat by a bungee. I hadn’t thought of securing the rudder/tiller. Will consider a fix. Thank you, H
ortegakid
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HH, take the rudder off boat, unbolt blade, either redrill hole or refix blade with no rear ward cant, ie straight up and down, will correct all weather helm problems.
I affixed lines to pull the blade down and up, just as on my MX, even has a break away cleat if ground the blade on shore.
I affixed lines to pull the blade down and up, just as on my MX, even has a break away cleat if ground the blade on shore.
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Ok Derrick. I’ll check it again but I think the Hobie One rudder looks pretty vertical. I’ll take some photos today and post here.
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I would not worry too much about the mast step unless you put a lot of righting moment on the boat. If the boat was built to handle a 100kg/220lb person hiking out on the side, no additional amount of sail area changes the force on the mast cup. The boat flips when the force on the sail is more than the force of weight on the rail. Basically more sail area means the boat can be flipped in lower wind assuming the sails are not eased.
Downwind is different, you could over power the build of the mast step on this point of sail as the only way the boat has to release the force on the sails is accelerating, rounding up, flipping onto a side, pitch poling, or breaking the step.
Downwind is different, you could over power the build of the mast step on this point of sail as the only way the boat has to release the force on the sails is accelerating, rounding up, flipping onto a side, pitch poling, or breaking the step.
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Looks vertical to me.
ortegakid
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I SEE, rake it more a little over center will help, didn't know it was that good. Could use a line to pull it forward and keep it there.
ortegakid
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and i was thinking about that also, could use some side shrouds, not really under tension, just as preventers down wind..
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Yes, thanks again. I could really use a pulldown line with cleat. However it seems to lock in place up and down positions. I’ll try to add the line later today later.
Regarding weather helm on a laser. Try this on your boat, it's free and it might get you closer to your goal.
1. Keep the boat dead flat. Once you think you're flat, you probably have 3-5 degrees of heel. Flatter.
2. If you can't keep the boat flat, depower the sails and hike harder.
3. If you still can't keep the boat flat, ease sheet just enough so that you can.
4. Look back at your tiller, if it is perfectly centered, that's proof that you're flat and you have very little helm
5. Add telltales. https://internationalsailingacademy.com/telltale-placement/
1. Keep the boat dead flat. Once you think you're flat, you probably have 3-5 degrees of heel. Flatter.
2. If you can't keep the boat flat, depower the sails and hike harder.
3. If you still can't keep the boat flat, ease sheet just enough so that you can.
4. Look back at your tiller, if it is perfectly centered, that's proof that you're flat and you have very little helm
5. Add telltales. https://internationalsailingacademy.com/telltale-placement/
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The few things suggested here took care of the Weather Helm. All operator causes. Here’s a little slow wind drive by.
CaptainAhab
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Weather helm is mostly caused by not sailing flat. The more the boat heels the worse the rudder performs. Other than using the controls to depower the rig to the point that the hull is not heeling, there is nothing those controls will do to improve weather helm. The hiking strap is the solution to weather helm. Sit at max beam all the time and hike when necessary to keep it dead flat. It looks like it's got a swept back rudder similar to the Laser. They are more susceptible to weather helm when they are heeled.My latest goal is understanding weather helm, sail, Cunningham, daggerboard and outhaul trimming to elevate some fierce weatherhelm.
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Also, moving your weight forward in the boat will move the sail center of effort forward in relation to the centerboard.
Alan Crawford
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Nice looking boat!
A little more vang (any at all!) would likely be beneficial even in light wind.
A little more vang (any at all!) would likely be beneficial even in light wind.
ortegakid
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HIKE! move forward and fix vang, and outhaul, all good!
This !! ! Plus it’s a centre main boat, your tiller extension needs to be in front of you not behind you .Also it looks too short too .
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I had problems with the 4’ tiller extension and cut them shorter. No hang ups and I run it behind me for now. No tiller hang up capsizes.
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Since I have no clue what a dog’s breakfast is I won’t be offended.Really glad your having fun , which is always the bottom line .
But just about everything in your picture is a dogs breakfast.
