Remind me why the US had a right to invade Iraq again ??we would have had to lay waste to the whole city to get the fighters out, we walked away instead.
Yeah - all those oil trillions worked out really well for the Saudis, hey?Supposedly, there are squazillions of dollars worth of rare-earth elements in Afghanistan's dusty rocks. They could certainly end up rich, but that could easily be a mixed blessing.... even an outright curse.
Go tell someone who cares. Get back to me after reading first Louis Burkhardt's account of travels in that region - IIRC that was in 1812 or thereabouts - and then Thesiger's accounts of travels in the Empty Quarter in the 50's.Mohammed Bin Lyin said:Muhammad Wahhab was an Islamic scholar the term Wahhabism is a western invention. To refute anything Muhammad Wahhab preached will mean you're refuting what $$Profit Mo preached it's not going to happen. There is nothing unislamic in what Wahhab preached.
100 years ago Islam was nearly dead oil money has revived it.
It's only bad when other people do it.... same as tortureI've seen some of our elected officials are criticizing the President over Afghanistan, loudly pointing out how this will lead to violence against women. While I agree the situation over there is horrible, and likely to get worse, I am left to wonder where was this concern when it was time to vote for the "Violence Against Women Act"? 172 Republicans voted AGAINST it. And, many of them are the ones who are now feigning concern.
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Tom Carper, a member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and an ally of the president's, said in a statement that the withdrawal of U.S. troops "should have been carefully planned to prevent violence and instability."random. said:The US is still doing shit at the airport, while reports I heard today was that the Taliban are attempting to keep law and order to allow the Americans to be able to GTFO.
That and the fact that there has been no street fighting or reports of be-headings smacks of some communication between the forces.
That is the only explanation. They have cut a deal.
Desperation. It will not stop them from trying.chum said:You would have thought some of their local tribesman neighbors who had a basic understanding of the modem wold hold have stopped such nonsense. WTF? They’ve had aircraft coming and going there for decades.
This explanation satisfies me. Moving on.CNN and MSNBC are no better this morning. From a Marine who served in Afghanistan
Man, I picked a good day to mostly stay off this site today.
The number of bad takes by people who couldn't find Afghanistan on a map were coming fast and thick, and simultaneously ignoring the actual experts, ie those of us who survived by understanding Afghanistan is NOT the west
"We trained the army for 20 years!"
The average ANA service time was measured in weeks and months before they'd disappear, not years.
Very few "veterans" in the ANA, and those who did exist were often reassigned to be VIP guards or other non-infantry roles
"They had planes and helicopters!"
Most of them are decades old, lacking crucial maintenance, and trained crews to repair them. There was talk of the ANA getting maintained in Qatar, but that's obviously not a viable strategy.
"We should've trained them better!"
We taught them to read and write, drive, talk on comms, AND how to fight. Largely, they ignored our lessons, preferring to look "manly" on Liveleak vs being combat effective.
Plus it turns out they weren't getting paid by the Afghan govt.
"But the govt has fallen!"
For most people outside of Kabul and Kandahar, life doesn't change much. They're a tribal people, the Imam is their "leader", and his words ARE the law.
There is no patriotism in Afghanistan as we know it, their loyalty is to their village and Imam.
"We should've trained women to fight!"
The Afghani people never would've recognized a military force comprised of women regardless of their effectiveness. The Afghan govt would actively sabotage them, and it would embolden the Taliban that we were corrupting the country.
"We should've evacuated refugees sooner!"
You can't start an evacuation of a nation's citizens until the govt allows it. We've learned that Ghani refused, which isn't surprising, given what it would've resulted in: his death at the hands of the Taliban.
I can keep going, but the fact is there were 3 options:
1) we left in May, fewer refugees get out, Taliban retake Afghanistan in days
2) We leave now, packing 800 refugees into a C17 made for 100, meaning more refugees survive, Taliban take the country.
3) 200k more US troops.
2500 US troops since January didn't "hold the Taliban", because there were no engagements. It wasn't a deterrent, because most of those forces were transpo and support, not infantry.
It would take 50-75x that much to actually secure the country. 150-200k infantry forces.
And let's just say for giggles, the US takes the country back.
Then what? We put in another puppet govt that the Taliban can buy off while they're rebuilding in Pakistan?
Train another force that the corrupt govt won't pay so they can be bribed to surrender immediately?
Or the alternative, Afghanistan becomes a "US protectorate", mimicking the Philippines for the next 50 years.
But that ignores the rub: The Afghani people, unlike the Philippines, Koreans, Tawainese- didn't ask for democracy.
we just showed up
The Koreans at least achieved a decent democracy IN SPITE OF THE US, who foisted upon them corrupt authoritarian collaborator thugs like Rhee.Koreans, . . . didn't ask for democracy. we just showed up