Try not to be a dick.Check out the news. They didn’t fight any better then the men in their lives. They all just gave up despite all the guns we gave them.
Um, I think TFG started the withdrawal. And lets not discuss the Kurds.quod umbra said:So sad. Should there not have been a UN Peacekeeping force there like a decade ago?
Those poor people who do not wish Taliban rule.
The US, under Joe Biden, has failed terribly and the world will not soon forget.
Just a matter of time before more terrorist fundamentalists are setting up shop.
They both have blood on their hands.quod umbra said:No Meli, what Trump did was to negotiate terms and conditions for US withdrawal. If Biden thought that was in error, then he should have made any necesary changes to the agreement.
What Biden did is what Biden always does..... as President Barak Obama observed, "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
Twenty years there and we couldn't figure out how offer a better life to Taliban followers than the Taliban did?Going forward I mean. Of course we're all unhappy about our past waste of time, money, and humanity over there.
What choice did we have? 5000 dead Americans, 20,000 injured, $2T, 20 years of occupation and the Taliban still held 40% of the land, and clearly the minds of the people.Um, I think TFG started the withdrawal. And lets not discuss the Kurds.
The US withdrawal is a disgrace. Abandoning not only the Afghanis but their allies as well. And commandeering the Airport in Kabul to do it.
Wait, so we should’ve stayed? How long? Cause it was ordained to end this way.quod umbra said:No Meli, what Trump did was to negotiate terms and conditions for US withdrawal. If Biden thought that was in error, then he should have made any necesary changes to the agreement.
What Biden did is what Biden always does..... as President Barak Obama observed, "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
Zackly.Aljazeera Blogs interesting because it's not just about the USA perspective.
Meli,Um, I think TFG started the withdrawal. And lets not discuss the Kurds.
The US withdrawal is a disgrace. Abandoning not only the Afghanis but their allies as well. And commandeering the Airport in Kabul to do it.
RightMohammed Bin Lyin said:It was the US who started fucking things up in Afghanistan when you backed the Mujahideen against the Russians. ...
That sez a lot about you.
I'd rather read Mo than Meli.
I too pass on MBL. Meli is like one of my lefty cousins, she can be full of shit at times but still family anyway (well PA family in this case).That sez a lot about you.
MBL is an islamaphobe of the first order.
Of course, it'll justify it's position with extremist rationale.
There is a bit of a point there, but deciding what to do in the 20th century from the 21st century is vastly easier than doing it at the timeRight
Because Afghanistan was so well-governed, so prosperous, so mutually benevolent... Afghanistan in history was a shining beacon to humanity, before this!
- DSK
Pretty much the choice was to stay or leave. You didn’t like leave. Oh, I know, was just another opportunity to criticize uncle Joe, stay OR leave.quod umbra said:Where exactly did I say we should have stayed?
You are missing the third option: The USA uses their <insert miracle here> device to somehow make the Afghans behave without it looking like a war.Pretty much the choice was to stay or leave. You didn’t like leave. Oh, I know, was just another opportunity to criticize uncle Joe, stay OR leave.
Yep. He negotiated directly with the Taliban. Kept the Afghan government out of the process. The Taliban knew they'd won, with that maneuver.quod umbra said:No Meli, what Trump did was to negotiate terms and conditions for US withdrawal. If Biden thought that was in error, then he should have made any necesary changes to the agreement.
What Biden did is what Biden always does..... as President Barak Obama observed, "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
Did you use strategy and Trump in the same sentence? :lol: :lol:quod umbra said:By both you mean Obama and Biden, right?
Trump was working on an exit strategy. Good or bad.
Biden had no exit strategy.
Nothing sadder than watching free Afagnies begging to be air lifted as they run along side US planes evacuating US nationals.