Honestly, who really gives a damn about Afghanistan?
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ShortForBob
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ShortForBob
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Um, I think TFG started the withdrawal. And lets not discuss the Kurds.quod umbra said:
The US withdrawal is a disgrace. Abandoning not only the Afghanis but their allies as well. And commandeering the Airport in Kabul to do it.
Sol Rosenberg
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If the US is going to be tasked with guaranteeing human rights, I suggest that we start right here at home first. Once that pipe dream comes to fruition we can branch out right here in our own back yard to Cuba and Haiti.
Of course, those places won’t have much need for their own air forces and armies, at least not to the extent that would make it profitable for the Best Americans. Afghanistan was about money, not rights.
Of course, those places won’t have much need for their own air forces and armies, at least not to the extent that would make it profitable for the Best Americans. Afghanistan was about money, not rights.
ShortForBob
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They both have blood on their hands.quod umbra said:
Jules
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Twenty years there and we couldn't figure out how offer a better life to Taliban followers than the Taliban did?
phillysailor
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Blaming this debacle on any one person or entity is dumb. This clusterfuck was decades, even centuries in the making.
This is how wars in Afghanistan end. Badly.
The police and troops hadn’t been paid in months. The Taliban are flush with cash, apparently, and started to invest in “cease fire” agreements with local authorities which were actually surrender agreements as soon as they concluded talks with Trump.
The GOP has taken down all references to this agreement on their website, but that can’t change that the Taliban have been preparing for this moment by capitalizing on demoralized Afghan troops and a weak and corrupt Afghan government.
Assuming reports that Ashraf Ghani left with as much cash as he could carry are true, the corruption started at the top and informed the actions at all levels of government.
We have been let down by our allies, and nobody really should be surprised, since they’ve been letting us down for a couple of decades.
The Taliban are the natural leaders of this society, and although we should do our best to save those individuals who have earned our trust, this debacle is simply culture and history showing yet another foreign occupier the wisdom of The Princess Bride: stay out of Afghanistan if you want to keep your pride and save your soldiers.
In the meantime, note the similarities in the photos of the Taliban
occupying the halls of government and the recent mob that briefly occupied the Capitol.
Thats how close we came to a coup. We need our focus and our $ at home, fighting our domestic pseudo-religious armed factions.
This is how wars in Afghanistan end. Badly.
The police and troops hadn’t been paid in months. The Taliban are flush with cash, apparently, and started to invest in “cease fire” agreements with local authorities which were actually surrender agreements as soon as they concluded talks with Trump.
The GOP has taken down all references to this agreement on their website, but that can’t change that the Taliban have been preparing for this moment by capitalizing on demoralized Afghan troops and a weak and corrupt Afghan government.
Assuming reports that Ashraf Ghani left with as much cash as he could carry are true, the corruption started at the top and informed the actions at all levels of government.
We have been let down by our allies, and nobody really should be surprised, since they’ve been letting us down for a couple of decades.
The Taliban are the natural leaders of this society, and although we should do our best to save those individuals who have earned our trust, this debacle is simply culture and history showing yet another foreign occupier the wisdom of The Princess Bride: stay out of Afghanistan if you want to keep your pride and save your soldiers.
In the meantime, note the similarities in the photos of the Taliban
Thats how close we came to a coup. We need our focus and our $ at home, fighting our domestic pseudo-religious armed factions.
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phillysailor
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@Mohammed Bin Lyin is absolutely right!
How dare Pelosi be limited by history, cultural differences, or the lack of control America has over countries and religions?
She should singlehandedly end the maltreatment of children and women around the world! Immediately!
Her inability to provide handouts and elevate the economic and educational opportunities for all oppressed people proves the failure of socialism in general and the Democrats in specific.
All hail MBL for his insight and wisdom!
How dare Pelosi be limited by history, cultural differences, or the lack of control America has over countries and religions?
She should singlehandedly end the maltreatment of children and women around the world! Immediately!
Her inability to provide handouts and elevate the economic and educational opportunities for all oppressed people proves the failure of socialism in general and the Democrats in specific.
All hail MBL for his insight and wisdom!
What choice did we have? 5000 dead Americans, 20,000 injured, $2T, 20 years of occupation and the Taliban still held 40% of the land, and clearly the minds of the people.
just go another 20?
justsomeguy!
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kent_island_sailor
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Meli,
You wanted the war to go on and on and on for 20-30-40 more years? Are you volunteering any of your family to fight there? I had family there fighting, did you?
This is the eternal curse of being the USA: You warmongers invade everyone! Go Home! Why do you think you can go around the world with your military and drones and just blow up, burn down, shoot, invade, and destroy anyplace you want to. You don't belong here!
Oh wait........what the fuck...........I didn't think anyone would actually listen to all that bullshit..........where are you going...........COME BACK WE DIDN'T MEAN IT
Last I checked Australia has armed forces of some kind. Exactly nothing and no one is stopping you from invading Afghanistan. Why aren't you?
Steam Flyer
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RightMohammed Bin Lyin said:
Because Afghanistan was so well-governed, so prosperous, so mutually benevolent... Afghanistan in history was a shining beacon to humanity, before this!
- DSK
justsomeguy!
Super Anarchist
That sez a lot about you.
I'd rather read Mo than Meli.
MBL is an islamaphobe of the first order.
Of course, it'll justify it's position with extremist rationale.
kent_island_sailor
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I too pass on MBL. Meli is like one of my lefty cousins, she can be full of shit at times but still family anyway (well PA family in this case).
kent_island_sailor
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There is a bit of a point there, but deciding what to do in the 20th century from the 21st century is vastly easier than doing it at the time
It may have been wiser to leave the mujaheddin alone, but absent a time machine we'll never know. The Russians were NEVER to convert the place to a 20th century 1st world country. Like us, they held part of the country and the locals behaved as long as the army was there to make them and they went right back to the 7th century as soon as they could.
kent_island_sailor
Super Anarchist
You are missing the third option: The USA uses their <insert miracle here> device to somehow make the Afghans behave without it looking like a war.
Bus Driver
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Yep. He negotiated directly with the Taliban. Kept the Afghan government out of the process. The Taliban knew they'd won, with that maneuver.quod umbra said:
Brilliant negotiator, The Former Guy is.
kent_island_sailor
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Did you use strategy and Trump in the same sentence? :lol: :lol:quod umbra said:
He had no strategy to flush the toilet, let alone something complicated. WTF would such a strategy even be? Leave really slowly, like one person per year so we are gone in 3,000 years