Honestly, who really gives a damn about Afghanistan?

phillysailor

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Let’s face it, the only winners have been the Taliban and the Military Industrial Complex, and at least the Taliban put serious skin in the game.

Our government determines the market, chooses the products, controls the means of production and subsidizes both the customers and the companies they choose while determining the workplace rules and assigns the profits and who receives US arms and military tech.

The best example of socialism in America and all our politicians fall all over themselves getting in line, with the exceptions of Bernie and the squad.

All the bleating out of congress is just lackeys trying to appear wise and stern while assigning blame for their failings anywhere but themselves.

They bought it, they broke it, they own it. All of them.

 
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Olsonist

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Either way, Biden owns this shitshow.
Yeah, the military that openly politic'd for staying after 20 years is pure as the fucking driven snow. They managed to efficiently cart off everything they needed to, and let's just say there was a LOT of everything, to warehouses in the UAE but somehow they couldn't manage the interpreters and now that's on Biden. Yeah, right.

And it's not as if we haven't been moving them here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58020494

 
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Raz'r

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Let’s face it, the only winners have been the Taliban and the Military Industrial Complex, and at least the Taliban put serious skin in the game.

Our government determines the market, chooses the products, controls the means of production and subsidizes both the customers and the companies they choose while determining the workplace rules and assigns the profits and who receives US arms and military tech.

The best example of socialism in America and all our politicians fall all over themselves getting in line, with the exceptions of Bernie and the squad.

All the bleating out of congress is just lackeys trying to appear wise and stern while assigning blame for their failings anywhere but themselves.

They bought it, they broke it, they own it. All of them.
Basically 10 years since OBL was ventilated. Wasted lives and treasure

 

pusslicker

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quod umbra said:
By both you mean Obama and Biden, right?

Trump was working on an exit strategy. Good or bad.
Biden had no exit strategy.

Nothing sadder than watching free Afagnies begging to be air lifted as they run along side US planes evacuating US nationals.
For a guy that doesn't support the duopoly you sure seem to only criticize Dems and only praise your boy. Just another fucking Trump bootlicker. Although at least most of the other MAGAs admit it. You don't even have the stones to do that.

 

benwynn

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Yeah, the military that openly politic'd for staying after 20 years is pure as the driven snow. They managed to cart off everything they needed to, and let's just say there was a lot of everything, to warehouses in the UAE but somehow they couldn't manage the interpreters and now that's on Biden. Yeah, right.

And it's not as if we haven't been moving them here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58020494
Maybe things are different where you work, but I make sure my people have the tools they need, and I count on them telling me what is going to happen and when.  

Then I put my name on it telling my management and the customer what will happen when.  I own it. 

 

roundthebuoys

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For a guy that doesn't support the duopoly you sure seem to only criticize Dems and only praise your boy. Just another fucking Trump bootlicker. Although at least most of the other MAGAs admit it. You don't even have the stones to do that.
Q is such a tool.  TFG had a plan?? LOL.  Like healthcare, infrastructure?  He never had one plan ever except 1/6.  And if perchance some lackey actually came up with a plan, maybe it should have been shared with the transition teams, oh I don't know, right after he lost the election?

 

Sol Rosenberg

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Q is such a tool.  TFG had a plan?? LOL.  Like healthcare, infrastructure?  He never had one plan ever except 1/6.  And if perchance some lackey actually came up with a plan, maybe it should have been shared with the transition teams, oh I don't know, right after he lost the election?
Watch how fast the bullshit squad pivots from the violent scarypeople at the border to Afghanistan. 

 

Olsonist

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Maybe things are different where you work, but I make sure my people have the tools they need, and I count on them telling me what is going to happen and when.  

Then I put my name on it telling my management and the customer what will happen when.  I own it. 
Have any of your reports ever slow walked something? There is a difference between corporate America and government America both in scale and authority. Let's be blunt. I don't think the military particularly likes Biden. I think they slow walked this.

But I do want to know why this interpreter thing is a problem now. I do want to know why the embassy wasn't evacuated months ago. Not knowing that (yet somehow surmising the above) I will conclude nothing except that Biden had the stones to do what his predecessors should have done. GTFO.

 
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Bus Driver

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He may have moved it up a bit, but couldn't he have had some sort of visa and evacuation plan for the Afghans that directly assisted the US (interpreters, etc.)?  It appears we just flat out abandoned these people.  

Maybe it was just a gross miscalculation on how fast shit would hit the fan, based on incomplete intel.  And, while I don't want to appear to blame TFG for everything, wasn't it known quite a while ago that TFG was fucking up our ability to get intel?   

Either way, Biden owns this shitshow.
No argument, he owns it.  Just pointing out it was a foregone conclusion who would fill the void when we left.  We broadcast that to the world.

Oh, and absolutely a fuck-up on leaving those who helped us.  Unconscionable.  Probably signed their death warrant.

 

badlatitude

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Afghanistan is only returning to the exact same Taliban shithole it was before the US arrived.  Nothing lost. 
Three previous administrations have learned that lesson and that is why we spent twenty years there. After billions of dollars, and twenty years of training, the Afghan army was never going to go toe to toe with the Taliban. Just like Vietnam, they were never going to go up against the  North. Someone should have figured that out in twenty years.

Our presence never mattered if Afghanistan never intended to stand up for itself. Biden was right it was time to get the hell out.

 
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Have any of your reports ever slow walked something? There is a difference between corporate America and government America both in scale and authority. Let's be blunt. I don't think the military particularly likes Biden. I think they slow walked this.

But I do want to know why this interpreter thing is a problem now. I do want to know why the embassy wasn't evacuated months ago. Not knowing that (yet somehow surmising the above) I will conclude nothing except that Biden had the stones to do what his predecessors should have done. GTFO.
The Taliban has a gift for making people believe they can negotiate with the Taliban, and something will come of it.  And then the Taliban do what they want, irregardless.  Even China is falling for it.  The Afghans have been making promises and breaking them since Alexander the Great.  It works.  Too many people like believing lies.  

 

Bus Driver

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The Taliban has a gift for making people believe they can negotiate with the Taliban, and something will come of it.  And then the Taliban do what they want, irregardless.  Even China is falling for it.  The Afghans have been making promises and breaking them since Alexander the Great.  It works.  Too many people like believing lies.  
Good point.  The Former Guy sure thought he was manipulating everyone he negotiated with, only to find he was the one being manipulated.

Of course, I guaran-fucking-tee he was making promises he had no intention of keeping, either.

 

badlatitude

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Afghanistan: "No more pretending it meant anything. It didn't - It didn't mean a fucking thing"


from a post by: Laura Jedeed 

Boy howdy am I having a lot of feelings about Afghanistan today 

I deployed there twice--once in 2008 and once in 2009-10 

It was already obvious that the Taliban would sweep through the very instant we left 

And here we are today 
I know how bad the Taliban is. I know what they do to women and little boys. I know what they're going to do to the interpreters and the people who cooperated with us, it's awful, it's bad, but we are leaving, and all I feel is grim relief 
Afghanistan is a dusty beige nightmare of a place full of proud, brave people who did not fucking want us there 

We called them Hajjis and worse and they were better than we were, braver and stronger and smarter 
I remember going through the phones of the people we detained and finding clip after clip of Bollywood musicals, women singing in fields of flowers 

Rarely did I find anything incriminating 

I remember finding propaganda footage cut together from the Soviet invasion and our own Operation Enduring Whatever

And laughing about how stupid the Afghans were to not know we aren't the Russians 

And then eventually realizing I was the stupid one 
I remember how every year the US would have to decide how to deal with the opium fields 

You could let them alone, and then the Taliban would shake the farmers down and use the money to buy weapons 
Or you could carpet bomb the fields and then the farmers would join the Taliban 
Or you could give the farmers fertilizer as an incentive to grow wheat instead of opium poppy, and the farmers would sell the fertilizer to the Taliban, who used it to make explosives for IEDs that could destroy a million dollar MRAP and maim everyone inside 

I remember we weren't allowed to throw batteries away because people who worked on base would go through the trash and collect hundreds of dead batteries, wire them together so they had just enough juice for one charge, and use that charge to detonate an IED 
I remember the look on my roommate's face after she got back from cutting the dead bodies of two soldiers out of an HMMWV that got blown up by an IED that I have always imagined was made with fertilizer from an opium farmer and detonated with a hundred thrown-out batteries 

I remember an Afghan kid who worked in the DFAC (cafeteria) who we called Cowboy, always wore this cowboy hat and an "I'm with stupid" t-shirt someone had given him, always with a big smile, high school age 
Cowboy was a good student and he wanted to go to college in America, but there weren't colleges that took Afghans, the education system was too shit. No program to help kids like him. I looked 

I wonder if he's dead now, for serving us food and dreaming of something different 

But if Cowboy is dead then he died a long time ago, and if Cowboy is dead it's our fault for going there in the first place, giving his family the option of trusting us when we are the least trustworthy people on the planet 

We use people up and throw them away like it's nothing 

And now we are leaving and the predictable thing is happening, the Taliban is surging in and taking it all back 

They have what you can't buy or train, they have patience and a bloody-mindedness that warrants more respect than we ever gave them 

I am Team Get The Fuck Out Of Afghanistan which, as a friend pointed out to me today, has always been Team Taliban 

It's Team Taliban or Team Stay Forever, there is no third team 
So I'm sitting here reading these sad fucking tweets about the suffering in Afghanistan and the horror of the encroaching Taliban and how awful it is that this is happening but I can't stop feeling this grim happiness, like, finally, you fuckers, finally you have to see it too 
No more blown up soldiers. No more Bollywood videos on phones whose owners are getting shipped god knows where. No more hypocrisy 

No more pretending it meant anything. It didn't 

It didn't mean a fucking thing

from a post by: Laura Jedeed

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1426689324284841987.html

 
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