How about a The Ocean Race thread?

Schakel

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The french Imoca Guyot environnement announcing a new crew member for the upcoming Ocean Race.
Sébastien Simon (FRA) will be navigator aboard the renamed Hugo Boss 6.
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Benjamin Dutreux will be skipper and they will also take part in the Route du Rhum.
Article in French:
https://www.benjamindutreux.fr/seba...-a-bord-de-guyot-environnement-team-europe-👊/
 

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5 Open 60's confirmed (^ see '*')

Short handed, hard, uncomfortable, very fast sailing with 2 on at a time! Listen to the recent Bar Karate Podcast with Jack Boutell, 11th Hour crew for '23.



Will the TOR go with just 5 x 60s and that's that?

New crewed circuit for foiling 60s...
 
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JeronimoII

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5 boats only if there are no major accidents at the Route du Rhum (dismasting or an UFO). Very short turn-around time, if something unexpected happens. Cross fingers.
 

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Bummer no VO65's identified as confirmed entry on TOR website. The last two events had seriously close racing and were great to watch.

I wonder if adding the IMOCAs to TOR to "build the race up" backfired on the organizers and killed off the money tree for the VO65's. The sponsors holding the purse strings might see the IMOCA circuit providing more bang for the buck with multiple events per year to showcase the sponsor flag ... not just TOR every 4 yrs.
 

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I just can’t see how this is financially viable with 5 teams. If they see V70 levels of damage it might be a two horse race by the time the reach anywhere of significant interest…

Fingers crossed another one or two crop up. The 60s will see damage.
 

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I just can’t see how this is financially viable with 5 teams. If they see V70 levels of damage it might be a two horse race by the time the reach anywhere of significant interest…

Fingers crossed another one or two crop up. The 60s will see damage.

The remains of the Alicante management team have tried hard to keep the Whitbread/Volvo alive for over three years, probably with Spanish monies and the funds that Volvo paid to walk away. The Europe Race, the VOR 65's and the IMOCA 60's all drafted in. But now, coming to crunch time, I doubt stopover ports or race sponsors are queuing up to put up any cash for the fleet on offer. There are plenty of other RTW races ongoing or coming on offer.
 
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It's such a shame to see this once great race a shadow of its former self. I couldn't even muster any interest for the Europe tour thing. Shame as I've loved following this for many years all the way from the Whitbread days.
 

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It's such a shame to see this once great race a shadow of its former self. I couldn't even muster any interest for the Europe tour thing. Shame as I've loved following this for many years all the way from the Whitbread days.
I couldn't agree more. The last few versions with the OD boats have been riveting and I could not wait for it to start again. Sure hoping everyone is wrong about the prospects.
 

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Ambersail posted recently on its FB page that it shall be participating in the Caribbean regattas of 2023... so the VO65 Team Baltic is officially out. The Dutch seem like the only ones with funding for TOR. Anyone else?

 

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From what I gather there is a meeting in Alicante this week (lots of stakeholders in town) and a decision will be made to remove the 65s and go with hopefully 7 imoca…

I can’t see any other imocas jumping into those two empty spots though.
 

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Ambersail posted recently on its FB page that it shall be participating in the Caribbean regattas of 2023... so the VO65 Team Baltic is officially out. The Dutch seem like the only ones with funding for TOR. Anyone else?

The Polish team with Bouwe have money, as do the Austrians. As I understand it Bouwe has said he wil only go if there are a minimum of 3 teams, which seems sensible.
 

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Hmmmm, something is up!

Might be another Entry that will be confirmed!


The Polish team with Bouwe have money, as do the Austrians. As I understand it Bouwe has said he wil only go if there are a minimum of 3 teams, which seems sensible.


Both Poland and Austria are listed as entries in the RORC Transat. That’ll put them on the wrong side of the Atlantic.

Edit: both listed as TBC, still telling though…
 

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Did TOR tell them how many boats there weren't going to before WB signed on for this?
You’d hope so! I just can’t understand why TOR don’t communicate on potential teams and give a meaningful update. It would certainly give visibility to those trying to raise funds and give them a opportunity to grow their fan base.

We’re what 3/4 months from the start and we’ve no idea what’s going on. Niall, videos and info please. The diehards are getting bored, give us something to talk about.
 

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Latest chat on the street is that Team NextGen (the only genuinely funded VO65 team) are doing an offshore team Germany and putting their money into renting an IMOCA team for the race. The team in question has apparently been involved in the Europe race which leaves Louis Burton’s Bureau Vallée as the likely 6th team. There will be no 7th and 11th Hour Racing has apparently subsided every single entry…
 

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"Maintaining a genuine clipper ship route was important for the 50th anniversary OGR," noted McIntyre. "Sadly UK ports are not interested in hosting the start and finish of this epic adventure and historic occasion. Discussions continue with EU ports with this important decision to be announced in the weeks ahead. A Prologue prior to the start is planned and could leave from Portugal or Spain.”

Don's hijacking of round the world racing to make it more accessible and inexpensive continues with the OGR for crewed yachts starting in September 2023 in the footsteps of the Golden Globe for solo sailors currently underway.

The retro format with yachts of earlier years has found a following which TOR seems unable to replicate. Even to the point where the OGR has (just about) adopted the favoured original route with stops in Cape Town, Auckland and Punta del Este.

Even though Don works on a budget that I guess is a fraction of the VOR/TOR, he still has to make his events pay their way without charging excessive entry fees.

Despite no doubt considerable effort and charm offensive he has had to move the start and finish points away from their original UK ports. The first GGR in 2018 did include a prologue from Falmouth, the original start in 1968, to Les Sables d'Olonne for the main event.

Just as he found more money for the start and finish available in France for the GGR, he now has had the same problem with the OGR.

UK ports find it virtually impossible to raise sufficient hosting funds from the tax payers without EU funds available, which I guess Alicante and Les Sables are able to tap into.

Plymouth managed to get one AC40 and two SailGP events because Russell Coutts knows that a UK event is important and Plymouth is the best venue for stadium sailing. I imagine the city paid a fraction of the hosting rights demanded from other venues with LE picking up the shortfall.

The 2023 SailGP calendar has five European events listed at the moment with Italy/Taranto and Spain/Cadiz decided. Will one of the three remaining be in UK waters?
 
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