JeronimoII
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most are crossing the pond to do some of the Caribbean races. All offer charter spots on them, if keen. e.g. https://www.ambersail2.eu/hospitality-in-baltic-sea-2022
How about a The Ocean Race thread?
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That lack of money meant most of the boats haven't had the refits required to go around the globe again either, somewhere up thread its mentioned that all the boats except one needed new rigging etc so I presume they wouldn't get insurance as the race requires?
Probably. I didn't follow too closely.
The thing that made and now keeps the VO65 interesting is racing around the world within VHF distance from each other. So the boats need to be identical.
Hard to do without a central refit program and spending some money early on. Nobody is going to refit them without money up front, even if you redo the boatyard refit form last round.
Covid did not help. Where are the boats going and what is the chance that they actually race? Sponsors certainly wanted to know.
On the IMOCA side things seem a bit easier. The boats are different. Within the rules teams can refit as much or little as desired.
Probably the biggest advantage is that The Ocean Race can be seen as just another project between Vendee Globe editions. A way to keep the team together. Trying to fill the hole left by the defunct(?) double handed Barcelona World Race with something else. 4+1 instead of two on board, for shorter distances. Seemed doable.
Fitting the TOR into the IMOCA race schedule was tight but some took the risk. Now most if not all of the professional IMOCA teams are looking hard at the next TOR edition.
The thing that made and now keeps the VO65 interesting is racing around the world within VHF distance from each other. So the boats need to be identical.
Hard to do without a central refit program and spending some money early on. Nobody is going to refit them without money up front, even if you redo the boatyard refit form last round.
Covid did not help. Where are the boats going and what is the chance that they actually race? Sponsors certainly wanted to know.
On the IMOCA side things seem a bit easier. The boats are different. Within the rules teams can refit as much or little as desired.
Probably the biggest advantage is that The Ocean Race can be seen as just another project between Vendee Globe editions. A way to keep the team together. Trying to fill the hole left by the defunct(?) double handed Barcelona World Race with something else. 4+1 instead of two on board, for shorter distances. Seemed doable.
Fitting the TOR into the IMOCA race schedule was tight but some took the risk. Now most if not all of the professional IMOCA teams are looking hard at the next TOR edition.
Haligonian Winterr
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TOR wanted Cat 0 certification for the Atlantic legs, due to lead-time and costs fleet opted to sail the European legs.
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Indeed, that would explain why they are not even doing the Newport-Aarhus leg, while some will aready be in the Caribbean anyway.
Herman
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Still an open question afaik.
Herman
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Herman
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Legs 3 and 5 have double points.
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“However, double points are up for grabs on two of the legs: the monster 12,750-nautical mile (14,672-mile / 23,613-kilometre) Southern Ocean passage on Leg 3 from Cape Town, South Africa to Itajaí in Brazil – the longest in the race’s 50-year history – and the transatlantic crossing on Leg 5 from US city Newport, Rhode Island to Aarhus in Denmark.
The points on Leg 3 will be split between the order in which the teams pass the longitude of 143 degrees east – and their finishing order at the end of the leg. On Leg 5 the points will be doubled based on the teams’ finishing order on the 3,500-nautical mile (4,028-mile / 6,482-kilometre) transatlantic crossing.”
Source https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/therace/343_What-is-The-Ocean-Race
dg_sailingfan
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Malizia sailed the least Miles during Leg 1 BUT were also going a full Knot slower than 11th Hour Racing and 0.8 knot slower than Holcim.
shebeen
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On the Shirley podcast will Harris was talking about leg 5 already, the double points from Newport to Denmark.
Bizarre that it's three times shorter but the same value as the monster leg 3.
The intermediate line of 143' E (Tasmania basically) seems a bit arbitrary as you could be theoretically further ahead(ie more south) yet lose points to someone north east of you
Herman
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The OSR Cat 0 required sea survival training for a crew member is around EUR 400 AFAIK. So we are talking about 8 crew + say 3 spare crew members = 11 crew x EUR 400 = EUR 4.400 for training. This is a relative small amount of money. But these specialty trainings are not held every month in The Netherlands. Only a few certified schools are allowed to deliver these trainings, which are held a couple of times per year in NL. Maybe I missed additional required certificates.
Also the boat requirements could be an obstacle. I zapped through the OSR 22-23 Sections 2 to 4 to look for the important boat requirement differences between Cat 0 and Cat 1. According to the NOR article 6.9 the VO65s are rated Cat 1. Btw that NOR article also requires a completed mandatory VO65 Refit Schedule for all boats in order to start the race.
Regarding the required structural features, stability and fixed equipment of a boat I cannot judge if VO65s comply to Cat 0 or not. Assuming that these kind of requirements won't change quickly since the VO65s have been build around ten years ago, I think they would.
Most important differences as far as I can judge are;
- Drinking Water equipment requirements (Cat 1 lesser requirements)
- Emergency Drinking Water requirements (Cat 1 lesser requirements)
- Communications Equipment
- a marine VHF DSC radio requirements ITU class D (1 for Cat 1 with lower class standards).
- at least two hand-held satellite telephones (1 for Cat 1).
- at least two hand-held marine VHF transceivers (1 for Cat 1)
- a direction-finding radio receiver operating on 121.5 MHz to take a bearing on a PLB or EPIRB, or an alternative device for crew overboard location when each crew member has an appropriate personal unit (Cat 1 no requirement).
- a satellite device able to send and receive data and a tracking device shall be
permanently installed and permanently powered up for the duration of the race
and for which the race committee shall have polling authority. Note; this is a lot of words to describe an Yellowbrick device ;-) (Cat 1 no requirement). - a MF/HF marine SSB transceiver (GMDSS/DSC) with at least 125 W
transmitter power and frequency range from at least 1.6 to 29.9 MHz with
permanently installed antenna and earth. (Cat 1 no requirement). - an active radar set permanently installed. (Cat 1 no requirement).
- Portable equipment
- a Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) (Cat 1 no requirement).
- searchlight with extra requirements (Cat 1 lesser requirements).
- two independent depth sounders (1 for Cat 1).
- Two water and manually activated 406 MHz EPIRBs (1 for Cat 1).
- Liferaft Construction requirements (Cat 1 lesser requirements).
- Personal Locator Beacons for the crew (Cat 1 no requirement).
- GPS Crew Overboard Position requirements (Cat 1 lesser requirements).
I think the cost issues were more about getting the 65s back into Class than getting them to Cat 0. It would have meant changes to rigs, rudders, keels, antifoul, sails, etc across the fleet. TOR were not going to help with it as they do not see the future of the race in the 65s.
Herman
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I did not know the VO65 one-class design had gone astray that much. And an identical sail wardrobe for all boats would be the least. Another big pile of money. Probably doubling the investment.
Laser1
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Not necessarily in reply to Herman but how then do they score them in the sprint races. IRC or boat for boat ?
Shh, don't ask difficult questions!
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Ever met a fun Swede?
Yes, Magnus Olssen, and a couple of drunken ones, to some extend.
The Ocen Race co-owners-CEO's have been the dullest in the history of the race, right from the moment they took over.
Listen to Johan Salen on Bar Karate, if you like:
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Malizia's Rosalin Kuiper, 2 weeks earlier, was a lot more fun, naturally.
Yes, Magnus Olssen, and a couple of drunken ones, to some extend.
The Ocen Race co-owners-CEO's have been the dullest in the history of the race, right from the moment they took over.
Listen to Johan Salen on Bar Karate, if you like:
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Malizia's Rosalin Kuiper, 2 weeks earlier, was a lot more fun, naturally.
winchfodder
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Check list.
IMOCA: Boat, Design, Skipper, Launch date
• Guyot Environnement – Team Europe (VPLP Verdier); Benjamin Dutreux (FRA)/Robert Stanjek (GER); September 1, 2015 (ex Hugo Boss 6)
• 11th Hour Racing Team (Guillaume Verdier); Charlie Enright (USA); August 24, 2021
• Holcim-PRB (Guillaume Verdier); Kevin Escoffier (FRA); May 8, 2022
• Team Malizia (VPLP); Boris Herrmann (GER); July 19, 2022
• Biotherm (Guillaume Verdier); Paul Meilhat (FRA); August 31 2022
IMOCA: Boat, Design, Skipper, Launch date
• Guyot Environnement – Team Europe (VPLP Verdier); Benjamin Dutreux (FRA)/Robert Stanjek (GER); September 1, 2015 (ex Hugo Boss 6)
• 11th Hour Racing Team (Guillaume Verdier); Charlie Enright (USA); August 24, 2021
• Holcim-PRB (Guillaume Verdier); Kevin Escoffier (FRA); May 8, 2022
• Team Malizia (VPLP); Boris Herrmann (GER); July 19, 2022
• Biotherm (Guillaume Verdier); Paul Meilhat (FRA); August 31 2022
Yep - originally built in Carrington for what was going to be 'Slingshot' - a team funded by the owner of the Wally 100 Galateia.