How is it that HOAs boss people around in freedom loving USA?

badlatitude

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I bet their meetings have nice sandwiches.
They had staff intercept your boat and move it to your slip, washed it down and prepare it for your next outing. Call the clubhouse and order your breakfast have it delivered or it will be ready when you arrive. I can't remember everything they offered, but I do remember wanting to get out of there fast.

 

badlatitude

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HOAs are carbuncles on the big ass of life.
Sometimes, yes, my friend at the ocean loved the fact that it was gated. parking at any beach in SoCal is hard to find, keeping a fence up keeps hundreds of cars from driving up and down your street looking for an available spot to park. 

 
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spankoka

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And possibly an illegal casino upstairs.
Even the gangsters give the bodyguards of Saudi entourages a wide berth. The Saudis probably get the impression that Vancouver has lots of criminals, given that they rent in the same buildings criminals do. If they rented in cheaper builders, the suites would be more likely to be owner occupied and thus not gangster's lairs. 

 
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Navig8tor

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They had staff intercept your boat and move it to your slip, washed it down and prepare it for your next outing. Call the clubhouse and order your breakfast have it delivered or it will be ready when you arrive. I can't remember everything they offered, but I do remember wanting to get out of there fast.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'

 

kent_island_sailor

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HOAs can be good or bad, as can gated communities. Do you really want your neighbors setting up a used dump truck repair and recycling operation in their front yard? Do you want your neighborhood streets to become RV and boat storage areas with barely enough room to squeeze a car by?

They also can go very far overboard, see the infamous Florida "Condo Commandos" :rolleyes: We looked at a house once in which the HOA had a rule that no dogs could be in your house in the summer and they had a big kennel where all the dogs were supposed to live. Also all the houses had to be same color. We told the real estate agent to please get us out of there!

 

Not for nothing

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I Just sold  a villa in a HOA/POA, In many cases they take you rights as an American, Probable the most important is "Freedom of Speech"  what size flag and what it says, What color curtains on your windows, type year, color , model and make of your car, what plants you can plant .Also they can search the inside of your house and seize any items they don't feel fits in there Assc.. They can put a lean on your property and throw you out for unpaid fines.  Luckily I sold , but even after closing I was send notices for unpaid dues. They make Hitler look like a nice guy!

 

kent_island_sailor

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I Just sold  a villa in a HOA/POA, In many cases they take you rights as an American, Probable the most important is "Freedom of Speech"  what size flag and what it says, What color curtains on your windows, type year, color , model and make of your car, what plants you can plant .Also they can search the inside of your house and seize any items they don't feel fits in there Assc.. They can put a lean on your property and throw you out for unpaid fines.  Luckily I sold , but even after closing I was send notices for unpaid dues. They make Hitler look like a nice guy!
That sounds insane!

What ours does here is mainly keep the beach, pool, and marina maintained. I think it costs us $250/yr per household. They will bitch if you let your yard grow 3 feet high or if you start a junk car collection out in the road. That is about it, I think we get our money's worth.

 

kent_island_sailor

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Gated communities are the very antithesis of the  . . 

"we're all in this together"  ..  

spirit. 
But we are NOT "all in this together". If random strangers have a huge party on our beach and trash the place, they don't have to pay to deal with it, we do. Once you have things like pools and beaches that are "attractive nuisances" in legal terms, you will have endless financial and legal problems if you let the general public just have at it.

 

Steam Flyer

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Gated communities are the very antithesis of the  . . 

"we're all in this together"  ..  

spirit. 
But we are NOT "all in this together". If random strangers have a huge party on our beach and trash the place, they don't have to pay to deal with it, we do. Once you have things like pools and beaches that are "attractive nuisances" in legal terms, you will have endless financial and legal problems if you let the general public just have at it.
Yep, first step is to define "we."

Don't like HOA/POA's then don't buy a house in one. OTOH if you don't like zoning, building codes, utilities, roads, access to water, etc etc... everywhere has some bureaucrat telling what to do! Doncha hate it?

Having a relatively nice home with some assurance that the neighborhood/community will stay nice, or even stay viable and livable, is better than having some assholes ruin it.

- DSK

 

kent_island_sailor

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Yep, first step is to define "we."

Don't like HOA/POA's then don't buy a house in one. OTOH if you don't like zoning, building codes, utilities, roads, access to water, etc etc... everywhere has some bureaucrat telling what to do! Doncha hate it?

Having a relatively nice home with some assurance that the neighborhood/community will stay nice, or even stay viable and livable, is better than having some assholes ruin it.

- DSK
This ^

Read all about the HOA, covenants, and restrictions first, buy second. If you want to have a mini junkyard on your property, move someplace where everyone is cool with that ;)

* note some covenants are not enforceable, some houses around here have things like "Can not be sold to Jews or Negroes" dating way back that obviously are null and void now.

 

NeedAClew

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You sign a contract when you buy the house.  Don't read the fine print, that's your problem. It's private not government. 

I line in a HOA free zone.  I am watching 6-10 Duck Dynasty folk move into the 3 BR rental across the street.  They bring their stuff in by homemade wooden trailer.  One of the first loads included about 8 ammunition boxes.  Now maybe that's how they store diapers and books but I am not reassured. I wish I had taken a photo. 

 
I Just sold  a villa in a HOA/POA, In many cases they take you rights as an American, Probable the most important is "Freedom of Speech"  what size flag and what it says, What color curtains on your windows, type year, color , model and make of your car, what plants you can plant .Also they can search the inside of your house and seize any items they don't feel fits in there Assc.. They can put a lean on your property and throw you out for unpaid fines.  Luckily I sold , but even after closing I was send notices for unpaid dues. They make Hitler look like a nice guy!
In my area we have city bylaws and inspectors to enforce them. It can take some time to force compliance for unsightly yards, but it does get done. Running auto repair or such gets dealt with much quicker, someone blocking access is dealt with very quickly, within the hour mostly. It works.

 

AJ Oliver

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People buy homes in HOA's to get away from city regs and codes, not realizing that 

they have just added another layer of govt. to their lives with the association. (same with condo's) 

Lots of HOA's are moving toward their own privatized police, fire, water/sewer, schools, libraries and more. 

They are bailing on the country which I see as a problem. 

 Nationally, 61% of new single-family houses completed were in a HOA, up from 46% in 2009. There has been a 2% increase since 2016, when 59% of new single-family houses completed were administered by a homeowners' association.Aug 1, 2018

 

MR.CLEAN

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I honestly don't understand this phenomena. I've heard of a neighborhood where you can't put a for sale sign in front of your house, you hang a wreath on the door like it's Christmas if you want to sell. 
 
An HOA is generally an unincorporated association empowered to enforce the restrictive covenants and condo document provisions that every prospective homeowner has every opportunity to review prior to purchase.  There is ample notice of the restrictions and if you live there, you specifically chose to submit to the HOA. 
 

so which part don’t you understand?

 

kent_island_sailor

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People buy homes in HOA's to get away from city regs and codes, not realizing that 

they have just added another layer of govt. to their lives with the association. (same with condo's) 

Lots of HOA's are moving toward their own privatized police, fire, water/sewer, schools, libraries and more. 

They are bailing on the country which I see as a problem. 

 Nationally, 61% of new single-family houses completed were in a HOA, up from 46% in 2009. There has been a 2% increase since 2016, when 59% of new single-family houses completed were administered by a homeowners' association.Aug 1, 2018
Say what????????????????

HOAs do not magically exempt you from local zoning laws. Most people that want HOAs, as opposed to tolerating them, are there for STRICTER codes, not getting away from regulations. The last place I lived the roads and water system were private, we maintained both of them. This is not especially unusual, if you are far from municipal water pipes you can band together and drill one big well or tell everyone they are on their own to drill one per house. Also when the community was built long ago the local government was not at all interested in building roads there, so it was DIY or drive on dirt trails in the woods.

I have never ever heard of anyplace building their own school system nor police nor fire department. Well I take that back on the school, Gibson Island has a private elementary school on the island, but that is exceedingly rare. Likewise with police, some neighborhoods might have a security guard or two, but that is not the same thing. Maybe there is someplace with actual police departments? That would seem expensive. We pay the local off-duty deputies to drive around on the weekends and keep the juvenile delinquents down to a dull roar and chase non-residents off the beach, but they are still sworn law enforcement officers, not really a private police force.

 
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Clove Hitch

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Say what????????????????

HOAs do not magically exempt you from local zoning laws. Most people that want HOAs, as opposed to tolerating them, are there for STRICTER codes, not getting away from regulations. The last place I lived the roads and water system were private, we maintained both of them. This is not especially unusual, if you are far from municipal water pipes you can band together and drill one big well or tell everyone they are on their own to drill one per house. Also when the community was built long ago the local government was not at all interested in building roads there, so it was DIY or drive on dirt trails in the woods.

I have never ever heard of anyplace building their own school system nor police nor fire department. Well I take that back on the school, Gibson Island has a private elementary school on the island, but that is exceedingly rare. Some neighborhoods might have a security guard or two, but that is not the same thing. Maybe there is someplace with actual police departments? That would seem exceedingly expensive.
I loved anchoring off that tiny island near Gibson Island.  

 

Not for nothing

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People buy homes in HOA's to get away from city regs and codes, not realizing that 

they have just added another layer of govt. to their lives with the association. (same with condo's) 

Lots of HOA's are moving toward their own privatized police, fire, water/sewer, schools, libraries and more. 

They are bailing on the country which I see as a problem. 

 Nationally, 61% of new single-family houses completed were in a HOA, up from 46% in 2009. There has been a 2% increase since 2016, when 59% of new single-family houses completed were administered by a homeowners' association.Aug 1, 2018
Interesting , If they become their own voting block , ( for government officials) can they become their own electoral college taking away your right to vote?

 

MR.CLEAN

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I Just sold  a villa in a HOA/POA, In many cases they take you rights as an American, Probable the most important is "Freedom of Speech"  what size flag and what it says, What color curtains on your windows, type year, color , model and make of your car, what plants you can plant .Also they can search the inside of your house and seize any items they don't feel fits in there Assc.. They can put a lean on your property and throw you out for unpaid fines.  Luckily I sold , but even after closing I was send notices for unpaid dues. They make Hitler look like a nice guy!
Did you not read the bylaws/covenants before you bought the property? 

 
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