How is the PA shitshow dealing with Joe now?

bletso

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You won't like my explanation/suggestion. Bring back the draft. You'll have fewer wars (because of more pushback) and they'll have to deal with people who aren't like them. I don't think Powell hates people like me. I'm certain Scheller does. If there's a shared burden, it would be like desegregating the armed services. Your friends are that way because they are separated.
Absolutely bring back the draft.  Draftees could also be used for disaster duties, not just cannon fodder.  

 

Ventucky Red

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In Biden's defense, he was very vocal about his bosses plan to surge and he strongly advocated to get out then when OBL was dead.  So, no.  It was not on his watch because he was the only one who said that was a fucked up plan.  Well, him and General Stan.  But Gen Stan got fired for saying it.  Obama was sorta stuck with Joe, as there was no real way to fire him.  But I'm sure he wasn't happy when Joe contradicted him.  
Yes it was on his watch.  Obama picked him for a few reasons, one of being Biden's extensive foreign-policy résumé.  You're telling me he hired a guy for his expertise, and then didn't listen to him? And Obama was the smartest guy in the room - right?   And yes there was a way to fire him, he could have asked Joe to step down for some BS reason and/or take him off the ticket in 2012, wouldn't be the first time this happened.

 

Ventucky Red

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I had a discussion yesterday with a retired military officer... a flyer, in fact... about Trump and why some people like/love him, why some very senior leaders who should know better got sucked into Trump's orbit. His point was that they should dislike Trump inherently, because he violates EVERY principle of leadership. Shucks he violates every principle of common decency. They not only followed him, in many cases broke the law to do so. He was of the opinion it's because they want to be tyrants themselves.

- DSK
I always like it when people say, "I have a friend that is a ______" or in your case.. "I was talking to someone in the know and they said ________________" to help them build upon putting credibility into their own opinions.

You can do better than this.

 

Al Paca

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If I hear this stupid mutha f'ng Human Pez Dispenser bring up his dead son one more time in the context of our military guys getting killed in action, I'm gonna lose my shit. What a despicable & decietful pandering piece of shit. Fuk this guy..... :angry:
Yes Yes yes. We all know you like the other son. The one that likes the cocaine. 

 

plchacker

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I was riding around in a tin can off the coast of Lebanon at the time. We did not shoot any support missions but ran beach guard / sweeps for cruisers and the USS New Jersey when they were shooting.

It was a tricky situation, one of the things that was constantly happening is that Israeli gunboats were constantly trying to draw PLO & Syrian fire toward us. I can't comment on the rules of engagement ashore, except that all of it was a fucked-up mess.

- DSK
I was on the USS Dewey during that same time, in that same place.  Fucked up shit is a good description.  We were not allowed to shoot back.  I ended up repairing bullet holes in the superstructure of other ships. 

 

Burning Man

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Deep down inside themselves, they're bigoted fucks who genuinely belief in the innate superiority of themselves and whatever group they belong to... by skin color, by religion, by region of origin, or something.

This is no rational, it's emotional. And it's the appeal of Trump: "I was born richer than most countries, nyah nyah nyah! I'm white and you're not, you get a fucking life of subservience and suffering! I'm Methodist and you're going to HELL but first I get to boss you around...." etc etc

You see this attitude come out in WB's drunken babbling.

I had a discussion yesterday with a retired military officer... a flyer, in fact... about Trump and why some people like/love him, why some very senior leaders who should know better got sucked into Trump's orbit. His point was that they should dislike Trump inherently, because he violates EVERY principle of leadership. Shucks he violates every principle of common decency. They not only followed him, in many cases broke the law to do so. He was of the opinion it's because they want to be tyrants themselves.

- DSK
I'm not sure I buy that.  In every other aspect of their lives, they are decent human beings and I'm pretty sure none have aspirations of being tyrants.  I don't doubt they have some inner racist that they are finally happy to be allowed to let out.  But that doesn't explain all of it. 

 

plchacker

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Afghanistan in a nutshell:

We helped several tribes fight the Soviets and were well aware of how fucked up that place is.  We watched the Soviets fail.

Then came 9/11.  W decided to continue his dad's beef with the area in general, Iraq in particular, but first lets attack a bunch of goat fuckers in Afghanistan, after all the Soviets left a mess and surely we can get rid of the terrorists.

Shortly after intermediate success we listened to the UN and decided it would be a good place to prove that Muslims are good people who would gladly accept a democratic form of government.  Thus the epic fail was underway.

Then Obama ran promising to get out of the shithole.  He won, and Hillary stepped in saying "Go have a beer with your buddy, I got this."  Naturally she had no intention of getting out.  The UN was still convinced that more time and money was needed to convert a bronze age culture. Then they discovered a new breed of toys that needed to be tested.  Finally the SEALS got Bin Laden, initial goal achieved.  Get out? oh hell no.  Too much money to be made, and the UN, well you know by now.

Trump campaigns on getting out.  He won.  Then he discovered that Obama had rewired the highest brass in the military, they were now convinced in the UN strategy.  There was no getting out.  Not while there is hope of converting a culture.  Also we needed the intel.  That means "boots on the ground." 

Biden promises to get us out.  He gets elected.  He dicks around for a few months trying to figure out where the bathroom is in the Oval Office, then decides it is time.  He tells his Woke generals to get out.  Now not next year.  I will do what you say as long as we get out.  Fuck our allies, fuck Americans who are there, fuck the promises the US and the UN have made, get out.

So here we are.  Twenty years later, both parties to blame and there is no hope for those who the UN and the US sold a dream to.  They are truly going to pay the price for believing that the UN and the US have any intention of standing on their word.Thousands are going to die, likely horrible deaths.  Most of you fuckwads are trying to place blame and polish a turd.  These are real people.  People who believed in the word they were given. 

I'm glad we are out.  We never should have tired to reshape that culture.  However, how many of the 123000 we got out are actually those who needed our protection?  How many are terrorists looking for a free ride to the din of the devil?  Better yet, how many people did we lie to? Who believed those lies and put their lives at risk because of those lies?

BTW, this place hasn't changed at all.  It is still the same shit hole it was twenty years ago when all this started...  Have fun, fuckheads.

 

Burning Man

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Then he discovered that Obama had rewired the highest brass in the military, they were now convinced in the UN strategy. 
No, I'm sorry.  I believe you are 100% wrong on this.  There are no Woke Generals who fervently believed that Afghanistan could EVER become a liberal democracy.  To a person, every top DOD brass and Sr CIA officials during the obama years and even into the tfg years I've spoken to off the record have said that us being there is a goat fuck of epic proportions and that it was always "unwinnable" from the start if the definition of "Winning" included transforming their culture.  Sure, they liked the fact that their procurement budgets essentially had a blank check.  But beyond that, no one thought it was a good idea.  In fact. it was these same generals who kept pushing Obama to "Pivot to Asia" because that's where the real threat was as well as where the real $$ are.  Do you think they gave a shit about buying MRAPs and other low cost toys when they could be buying more F-35s and aircraft carriers to face the Jhyna threat?  You definitely don't need F-35s, Carriers and Nuke Subs to fight an annoyance war like Afshitistan.

Edit to add: if anything, the top brass rewired the Kenyan usurper.  

 
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plchacker

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No, I'm sorry.  I believe you are 100% wrong on this.  There are no Woke Generals who fervently believed that Afghanistan could EVER become a liberal democracy.  To a person, every top DOD brass and Sr CIA officials during the obama years and even into the tfg years I've spoken to off the record have said that us being there is a goat fuck of epic proportions and that it was always "unwinnable" from the start if the definition of "Winning" included transforming their culture.  Sure, they liked the fact that their procurement budgets essentially had a blank check.  But beyond that, no one thought it was a good idea.  In fact. it was these same generals who kept pushing Obama to "Pivot to Asia" because that's where the real threat was as well as where the real $$ are.  Do you think they gave a shit about buying MRAPs and other low cost toys when they could be buying more F-35s and aircraft carriers to face the Jhyna threat?  You definitely don't need F-35s, Carriers and Nuke Subs to fight an annoyance war like Afshitistan.
I agree with the bulk of what you said.  The real threat is to the East.  And yes the toys to fight the Chinese are certainly different, Navy heavy, fighters, subs and nukes.  Maybe the top Brass was not convinced, but there definitely was a culture change.  That change may not have included the role in Afghanistan, to be honest, that was a guess on my part, but there was a culture change.  I saw it in the differences between the Navy I served in and the Navy my daughter served in.

 

shaggy

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Suck eggs.  Your fool fucked up royal and you siding with him show how fucking stupid each of are.  Fuck off. Own the deaths coming and then fuck off again.,
Fuck off.  Everyone here has said that Biden fucked up..  Move on asshole...  Move on...  We got people out.  After the initial BS things went rather smoothly and we are out....  Good stuff.  Biden is acting Presidential..  It is normal..  I am sad you think that the new norm is to raise cane on anything and everything a fucking president does. Our president is not supposed to be the Twitterer...  Our president is supposed to be presidential and he is.  He owned it..  He moved on.  Our country is better for pulling out...  Catch up to the rest of us mental juggernauts u fucking troll. 

 

ModernViking

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This place is fantastic... 
Shit slinging, memes and grand daughters (which is a new low I think). 
Then a sane person comes around with an analysis, which could be the basis for an actual discussion.
2 posts later, and we are back to shit slinging.
:lol:

 

Bus Driver

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Fuck off.  Everyone here has said that Biden fucked up..  Move on asshole...  Move on...  We got people out.  After the initial BS things went rather smoothly and we are out....  Good stuff.  Biden is acting Presidential..  It is normal..  I am sad you think that the new norm is to raise cane on anything and everything a fucking president does. Our president is not supposed to be the Twitterer...  Our president is supposed to be presidential and he is.  He owned it..  He moved on.  Our country is better for pulling out...  Catch up to the rest of us mental juggernauts u fucking troll. 
He will just find another reason to bash the President, while claiming The Former Guy was wonderful.

It's what he does.  It's who he is.

 

Bus Driver

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This place is fantastic... 
Shit slinging, memes and grand daughters (which is a new low I think). 
Then a sane person comes around with an analysis, which could be the basis for an actual discussion.
2 posts later, and we are back to shit slinging.
:lol:
The fact that HE brought his own granddaughters into the conversation is the new low.

 

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