I hate Yacht brokers

[Huggy Bear Brown]

Somethings not adding up with the OP.....  He states a broker is involved.  Brokers have standard boilerplate purchase agreements.  I pulled ours out to take a look at it.....any modifications to the purchase were done via an addendum to the agreement.  If the buyer and seller agree to something outside the boilerplate, the broker would have that listed in the addendum.  In addition, we also had an Acceptance of Vessel document which stated any new contingencies of acceptance, which we had as a result of the survey.  The agreement is between the buyer and seller, why is the broker offering to pay half?  He has no liability.....  and why is the OP blaming the broker??  Somethings bullshit....

 

[Sail4beer]

Where’s the sock of the day? 
 

Yo, 108, is that your IQ? Post the contract or tits already!

 

[Windward]

I drafted a legal document to myself without Clean's help, that clearly states that Scot is to pay me $10 for every witless comment I post to this forum.  

Why the heck have I not been paid yet?  I mailed the contract to myself years ago.

Sounds like the buyer and seller made a contract without the broker at some point, and agreed that the broker would pay.

The reality is that we are probably getting 20% of the whole story.

 

[Slick470]

Where’s the sock of the day? 
 

Yo, 108, is that your IQ? Post the contract or tits already!

Not everyone is out to be an asshole.  I think the OP found a boat he liked, it happened to be in another country, and he is now navigating an unforeseen situation that came up well after the sale. Hopefully he'll get something useful out of asking an opinion here. 

 

[Cal20sailor]

Where’s the sock of the day? 
 

Yo, 108, is that your IQ? Post the contract or tits already!

You do realize that 108 is above average that is defined (and forced each year) to be 100.

 

[Sail4beer]

Hopefully he'll get something useful out of asking an opinion here. 

I’m having spars and other gear delivered across the border in a couple of weeks. We all know what’s in the well read contract so there should be no confusion. I wish he would post a redacted copy of the agreement here, don’t care  about mammary glands so much... 

You do realize that 108 is above average that is defined (and forced each year) to be 100.

I guess you are right. He did buy a nice solid Olsen 911!

 

[Somebody Else]

I wrote in the purchase agreement that delivery across the border was included in my offer. The previous owner signed it. I don’t know what the old owner and the broker had figured out. I just figured that they read the purchase agreement. 

So why is this the broker's issue and not the seller's?

The seller agreed to the delivery and signed the document, not the broker. 

 

[Sailbydate]

If the cost of delivery to the USA was a genuine condition of sale, liability for delivery payment is with the seller, no? The broker's offer to pay half is either very generous, or an admission of...hmmm, something.

Would love to hear the previous owner's and broker's side of this story.

 

[See Level]

Delivery skipper needs to eat half his bill, he never should have left the dock without making sure the proper paperwork had been done. 

The broker's already willing to pay half because he missed taking the fee out of the owner's final payoff.

 

[Left Shift]

I know several very reputable yacht brokers in the PNW.  It is quite possible that the broker in this case is one of them.

I suggest that 108 provide full details to back up his claim to justify his "hatred" - of not just this particular broker but all brokers in general - or ask that this thread be removed.  

 

[Sailbydate]

Maybe the NYBA has an opinion they'd like to share?

 

[Svanen]

Delivery skipper needs to eat half his bill, he never should have left the dock without making sure the proper paperwork had been done.

Right on.

What kind of crappy delivery skipper was he, not diligently reviewing the purchase agreement (which had nothing to do with him) to ensure that its contents were communicated to, and fully understood by, both parties to the sale, as well as the broker? 

I suggest that 108 provide full details to back up his claim to justify his "hatred" - of not just this particular broker but all brokers in general - or ask that this thread be removed. 

+1.

The OP has appeared out of nowhere, provided incomplete and one-sided information, and unfairly smeared all brokers.

Assuming that any of this shitshow actually happened (I suspect a troll), the OP should take it offline and try to negotiate some mutually-acceptable resolution with the seller and broker.

As Bowchow has noted, the amounts involved are small so working things out amicably shouldn’t be all that difficult. However, if he wants to play hardball the OP should privately consult a lawyer so that he can get some reliable advice based on actual evidence ... which is more than this thread can hope to accomplish.

 

[shanghaisailor]

I have bought several boats over the years both on my own account and on behalf of friends (and sold a few also) some costing considerably more than the boat in question. The broker acts for the seller however i have never found any cause to "not like" a broker, never mind "hate" a broker. I have also sold boats on my own account or for friends, most recently a Cookson 50 and i can assure you that in most cases a broker more than earns their corn. OK sometimes they drop lucky and list a boat yesterday and sell it tomorrow but in other cases their client's expectations need to be managed far more than any potential purchasers wishes.

They usually charge a flat fee so it is in their interests for the sale to go as smoothly as possible, the easiest way for that to happen is to be completely open and not hide anything that may stall or lose the sale and as we all know reputation is everything because it is a competitive market place.

If someone 'sneaks in' a condition on a purchase contract and then is unhappy when that condition is not met then hell mend them, serves them right. It is for dirty tricks like that most brokers prefer to use a standard sales/purchase contract. 

For the avoidance of doubt, i have bought/sold over a dozen boats over the years and never had any cause to be unhappy with a broker involved in either direction.

Just sayin'

SS

 

[Black Sox]

You do realize that 108 is above average that is defined (and forced each year) to be 100.

Top of the bell curve, Ma.

 

[DtM]

Where is the OP? He/she has gone very quiet.

 

[alphafb552]

Might have just been attempting to create some sort of social media traffic to put pressure on the broker and/or original seller to put pressure on them. Might not be happy with our replies...

 

[Sail4beer]

I suggest that 108 provide full details to back up his claim to justify his "hatred" - of not just this particular broker but all brokers in general - or ask that this thread be removed.  

We should keep the thread and lose 108.

Seems we already have...

 

[See Level]

Right on.

What kind of crappy delivery skipper was he, not diligently reviewing the purchase agreement (which had nothing to do with him) to ensure that its contents were communicated to, and fully understood by, both parties to the sale, as well as the broker? 

Not what I was talking about. 

Was there a Canadian registration on board? How about a notorized Bill of Sale?

OP said skipper had to go back because broker didn't understand paperwork to get across border.

 Neither did "professional delivery skipper" I guess.

 

[triple trouble]

Good thing you aren't a lawyer because you couldn't even get the facts in the first post correct.

This is why one  shouldn't come to a left wing boat forum for legal advice and rants.   

Wow, politicize everything do you?

 

[Tomfl]

All conjecture is bull spit without seeing the signed contract.  Given that the OP seems to have vanished I am wondering if he was just goofing with a bogus post.