I still call Australia home

[Ease the sheet.]

Someone looks a little concerned about Bill being in the spotlight...

Bill farted...

 

[Ease the sheet.]

I didn't forget about Tassie, but Tassie doesn't really count.

Every country needs a Utah...

 

[Goodvibes]

You have to wonder how much happier he'd be if he just came out and was done with it.
Most people on the forum would understand.

I understood that years ago.

Must be hard living a secret life like that. He is the Alan Jones of the forum.

 

[Goodvibes]

 

[Mike in Seattle]

Since when has her pig ignorance ever stopped her commenting on every subject.

, hold on there, cowboy.

Pigs are actually quite smart.

, smarter than cows.
, smarter than horses.

"Rocket scientest" level smart, when compared to Meli.



Smile, Meli

 

[LB 15]

I see Meli is now scrambling to come up with a reason why her Red wave was bullshit. Meli has never been to Tasmania. And why would she given that sailing is popular there?
Amazing that someone who can not and does not sail, spends most of her day on a sailing forum, posting about shit that has nothing to do with sailing.
Must be time for another of her folksy ‘I am an ignorant cunt please help me’ attention whoreing threads in GA.

 

[LB 15]

Well given the amount of time you spend in SA jail, you can play chopper.

 

[Alhadder]

Interesting piece on ABC this morning via The Conversation's Frank Borgiono about the issue I raised on Saturday night re all State and Territory Government's, sans Tassie, same as Federal

Australia is now almost entirely governed by Labor — but that doesn't necessarily make life easier for leaders

The Australian mainland, with its five states and two territories, is now "red". Only Tasmania remains "blue", looking like an antipodean Taiwan, with the sole surviving Liberal government in the country, writes Frank Bongiorno.

www.abc.net.au

 

[tp#12]

Well until we can get sufficient alternatives up and running, it's not exactly something that can be banned overnight I guess.
New coal for export certainly has to go ASAP.
I can't comment because I don't know much about the details of how and why.

I think you misunderstand the argument

No one is calling for an end to all coal and gas mining tomorrow. The IPCC report, the global climate science community and therefore the Greens are calling for the Govt to stop approving/opening NEW coal and gas mines

Then we need to flesh out a transition plan from coal and gas to renewables, for workers too, and put an end date on coal and gas mining

 

[tp#12]

Interesting piece on ABC this morning via The Conversation's Frank Borgiono about the issue I raised on Saturday night re all State and Territory Government's, sans Tassie, same as Federal

Australia is now almost entirely governed by Labor — but that doesn't necessarily make life easier for leaders

The Australian mainland, with its five states and two territories, is now "red". Only Tasmania remains "blue", looking like an antipodean Taiwan, with the sole surviving Liberal government in the country, writes Frank Bongiorno.

www.abc.net.au

This is also incorrect

The Govt in the ACT is a Lab/Grn coalition, not Labor

 

[tp#12]

I think you misunderstand the argument

No one is calling for an end to all coal and gas mining tomorrow. The IPCC report, the global climate science community and therefore the Greens are calling for the Govt to stop approving/opening NEW coal and gas mines

Then we need to flesh out a transition plan from coal and gas to renewables, for workers too, and put an end date on coal and gas mining

Further on this; Labor are unwilling to follow climate science with their climate policy. Their current policy settings will see 2*C+ of warming leading to things like no more reef. But they allocate a few mill to some reef fund and everyone gives them a pass

Tanya Plibersek said stopping opening new coal and gas mines was 'unreasonable'. Chris Bowen said it's 'frankly a slogan not a policy' and they both tried to position that argument as against Greens policy - Greens policy is exactly what the IPCC and climate science community are calling for but they avoid that scrutiny because so many people are stoked to have gotten rid of the LNP and think Labor are still a progressive party

 

[tp#12]

I know Labor have made a song and dance about having a majority and a mandate and all that bollocks but there's a few points I'd like to make about that:

1 - Labor scraped into a majority in the HoR by two seats
2 - They're 13 seats short of a majority in the Senate
3 - The Greens have 11 Senators plus Pocock, Thorpe make a progressive majority in the Senate available for Labor if they want to pass progressive policy
4 - Labor keep looking to and voting with the LNP instead - that's why they moved the Federal ICAC legislation behind closed doors ignoring their election promise for transparency
5 - They voted with the LNP against an amendment to have the pamphlets distributed for the Yes and NO case to The Voice to be independently fact checked
6 - They voted with the LNP against an amendment to have the Yes and No campaign funding made public in real time

Labor are a centre right party whose policy is more closely aligned to the LNP than the Greens.

 

[tp#12]

Last comment on electoral trends

The major parties vote, federally, are in long term downward trends

The only reason Labor got a majority this time around is because the LNP imploded so badly. The biggest beneficiaries in terms of where those votes went were the Independents and Greens, not Labor

Labor won their majority on a smaller vote than they lost the previous election on

We were only two seats away from a Labor minority govt. That is the most likely outcome of the next election if those long term trends continue

The largest party that is actually increasing its vote is The Greens

Progressives *should* have a win next federal election with a Labor minority govt with a strong Greens presence in both houses keeping Labor from creeping to the right any further. Maybe even bringing them back to the left a bit

But then Labor could choose to seek support for their minority govt with the party that best aligns with their policy platform - the LNP. I doubt they would because they need to maintain the pretence of being a centre left party or their vote will REALLY tank

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

Further on this; Labor are unwilling to follow climate science with their climate policy. Their current policy settings will see 2*C+ of warming leading to things like no more reef.

And if by some miracle Labor banned all new gas, coal and other fossil fuel mines PLUS banned the use of all fossil fuels as of January 1 2024 - what effect would this have on global warming?

After all, you're making a definitive statement/prediction of the result should they follow their current policy, therefore you should know what the effect will be if they don't.

I fully expect you'll not answer this question. Fancy that...

FKT

 

[tp#12]

And if by some miracle Labor banned all new gas, coal and other fossil fuel mines PLUS banned the use of all fossil fuels as of January 1 2024 - what effect would this have on global warming?

After all, you're making a definitive statement/prediction of the result should they follow their current policy, therefore you should know what the effect will be if they don't.

I fully expect you'll not answer this question. Fancy that...

FKT

I'm not talking climate change policy with right wing idiots who deny climate change

Go troll elsewhere

Edited to add: Go and take your opinions to the climate science community and have your argument there and let us know how you get on. We both know you won't

 

[Ease the sheet.]

Labor are a centre right party whose policy is more closely aligned to the LNP than the Greens.

Descriptions such as "centre, left, and right" are a bit confusing. It's more a comparison to each other than a concrete position.

I agree that both the alp and libs are more closely aligned than most people think. Both are searching for the majority that exists in the "centre" and then allowing the fringes groups to capture the more outspoken.

Then both form a coalition to ascend to power with some deniability about their own extremist.

 

[tp#12]

Descriptions such as "centre, left, and right" are a bit confusing. It's more a comparison to each other than a concrete position.

I agree that both the alp and libs are more closely aligned than most people think. Both are searching for the majority that exists in the "centre" and then allowing the fringes groups to capture the more outspoken.

Then both form a coalition to ascend to power with some deniability about their own extremist.

I don't agree with your comments re: left right and centre .. these are established in terms of actual policy position. More than that, I think being apathetic towards classification enables the parties changing their policies but claiming they're still the old party to get away with it

For example, the increasing fundamental christian influence we see in Aus, and in the west generally, is coming down on the right and far right, depending on the particular policy

AUKUS - right wing policy that Labor happily committed to pre-election. Same with taking the LNPs stage 3 tax cuts to the election. They're a regressive move that remove an entire tax bracket for the higher income earners. And all the while crying poor and refusing to raise the rate of Jobseeker thereby leaving a bunch of people in poverty needlessly

When was the last time a Labor party made the opposition party's policy their own election promise? Gough would spit chips. There's no social contract anymore

Labor and their 98% bipartisan policy on refugees and ignoring our commitments to the Human Rights Convention ... they have SOME redeeming policies that bring them back towards the centre

It's important because the better educated the electorate the better policy we get generally. If the general public realised Labor were centre right their vote would tank. But then if the electorate was better educated Labor wouldn't have moved so far to the right

 

[tp#12]

On the LNP, they're starting to really fracture. The Christian right of the party is pulling them far right and the gap between them and the moderates is growing. In their reviews they're saying they need to move further right!

Which I absolutely encourage, by the way. It will accelerate the party's demise.

They're in no way trying to appeal to anyone in the centre anymore. Only Labor can make any serious claim to that

 

[tp#12]

Same thing as the US but on a smaller scale. Swap Democrats for Labor and Republicans for the LNP

The best thing we could do for democracy in Australia is introduce truth in political advertising laws but we know why that will never happen. Labor, who regularly get smashed, by the Murdoch press in particular, are so cowed that Albo refused Rudd's RC into media ownership and still went to visit Uncle Rupert and bent the knee. Then came back and shipped Rudd off overseas with a cushy posting. And they STILL get shitty press .. it beggars belief

I shall climb down off my soapbox and do some work!

 

[Alhadder]

Well it looks like the tide has not gone completely red in NSW as the ALP are 2 short of majority government atm with only 2 seats in the Ahead column, with one of those, Ryde, on a razor thin 2PP preference margin of less than 100 votes. On the other side the Libs are ahead in 3 seats but the preference count margin is less than 1%.