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accnick

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I'm with you on Biminis. I don't have one (mainly because there's no room under the boom), but I've sailed on boats that have them and I find them very claustrophobic. From the sin cancer standpoint, I totally understand, but I still don't like them.
You don't have to like them to learn to live with them. After folding ours up and securing it to the backstays for the first few passages, we left it up virtually all the time. I say "virtually" because I don't remember ever taking it down, but we might have.

We had a heavy-duty bimini that was specifically designed for sailing, rather than sitting on anchor. It was strongly built, heavily reinforced, and secured to the boat in multiple places

When passagemaking, you generally aren't obsessed with sail trim every second like you are when racing, so the fact that it may be slightly more difficult to check the sails is less critical, as long as you still know when to reef and can monitor chafe.

Sitting out in the sun for days on end without some sort of cover gets old very quickly, especially when you are older. For us, the answer was a sailing bimini.

The dodger provided similar protection when you were sitting in the companionway, but the weather had to be good enough to leave the drop boards out for that to be really useful.

We did not have a cockpit enclosure. I draw the line at those.

But when it comes to biminis. handsome is as handsome does.
 

slug zitski

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You don't need a big dinghy with a 15hp engine. A small one with a flat bottom and 2 oars give you the liberty to get ashore dry and there is no need for davits to lift it up.

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Don't know if they still manufacture them but the British "Avon" without transom were smaller and even easier to pack and store.
They work in protected water
 

Israel Hands

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I'm with you on Biminis. I don't have one (mainly because there's no room under the boom), but I've sailed on boats that have them and I find them very claustrophobic. From the skin cancer standpoint, I totally understand, but I still don't like them.
Bull, I was of that opinion before too. But a good bimini has plenty of clearance for vision while standing and is open to air circulation. Now I feel bad for all those return trip days, when my darling first mate would wrap herself up like a mummy in the stifling heat to escape the intense sun. She and I agree - a bimini is a wonderful thing and has increased our appetite for cruising.
 

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You don't need a big dinghy with a 15hp engine. A small one with a flat bottom and 2 oars give you the liberty to get ashore dry
Ugh, somebody suggesting poverty-stricks again... That's just so...
un-american.....

But I agree you don't need a 15hp, you want a 25hp minimum, or better yet an a big Achilles RIB with an Enduro 40, like my neighbor, that way even if you forget to untie the painter, you should still be able to make it to the dinghy dock without too much trouble.....
 

Ajax

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Ugh, somebody suggesting poverty-stricks again... That's just so...
un-american.....

But I agree you don't need a 15hp, you want a 25hp minimum, or better yet an a big Achilles RIB with an Enduro 40, like my neighbor, that way even if you forget to untie the painter, you should still be able to make it to the dinghy dock without too much trouble.....
I've noticed a proclivity for wheel steering consoles in tiny inflatable dinghies lately. It's just absurd.
 

Israel Hands

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@Alaris thanks again for sharing this beautiful boat with us, and allowing us to be the peanut gallery. I won't be showing the photos to my wife, because she would say "why didn't you find that boat when we were looking!" The interior and the roomy cockpit would have sold her on it.

Looking again, I feel it my duty to note that the beautiful cockpit table is protected from sun and weather by the bimini. Just raise the bimini to suit your height, and remove the dodger. When you are sailing on the Bay with a half dozen of your good friends, you will all be appreciating the shade and charming style - of which that bimini is an integral part. Of this I'm sure.
 

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Indeed, a beautiful boat obviously well maintained and amazingly clean. I bought my boat from people who had thought they were returning to it, so it had everything as they left it, a huge plus for me, but very full of stuff.

The Chesapeake is a different place, but I could not handle sailing without the canvas bimini on my boat. It is solid enough I can grab hold of it to move around, and it supports a huge 330W solar panel on top. I had six months in the south Pacific and would have been toast without it. I pretty much lived in the cockpit, going below only to cook and sleep. My dodger is canvas too with a zipperable center "window" part to allow a nice breeze through it, and the gap between the dodger and bimini is just the right height that standing in the cockpit I easily see over the dodger, but don't hit my head on the bimini, plus there is a zipperable connector between the two that helps when it rains hard. It also has panels on the sides and back that can be dropped down for additional sun/rain protection, but I only occasionally used those at anchor. It does interfere a little with stargazing, so I do that on the foredeck if things are not too rough. And it is too high for the cut of the mainsail which is original to the boat before the bimini and solar panel rack were added, so I have to lift the boom with the topping lift if I am tacking or gybing, but mostly I sailed downwind with very few gybes.

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Alaris

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I am a minimalist and having all that stuff on deck would make my eye twitch. I’m reconsidering the Bimini (it would have to be recut because the bridge to the dodger is not currently removable) but I’ve decided the dodger has to go. The davits and wind generator are also gone. This is just way too much stuff:

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Ajax

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I understand Alaris' aversion to biminis. For years, I had no canvas at all. I preferred the uncluttered view and uninhibited movement around the boat.

After some years, I got tired of taking waves in the face so I grudgingly put up the dodger my boat came with. My spouse was grateful for at least some shade. I still have no bimini. I do have the "captain's awning" that Cruisin' Loser showed in his photo. That's nice at anchor.

Unfortunately, I do see some sort of bimini-like platform in my future that will hold 1-2 solar panels. My existing panel needs to be relocated if I'm ever going to install windvane steering.
 

Ajax

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@Alaris I agree. That's a fucking oil derrick.

Ditch the wind turbine, oil derrick and store the davits onshore somewhere. Either store the RIB on deck or sell it and buy a 9' inflatable that can deflate and roll up. You can still put a 2 to 5hp motor on those. Relocate the solar to the top of the bimini.

I use my spinnaker halyard and pole to launch the dinghy from the foredeck.
 

Alaris

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@Alaris I agree. That's a fucking oil derrick.

Ditch the wind turbine, oil derrick and store the davits onshore somewhere. Either store the RIB on deck or sell it and buy a 9' inflatable that can deflate and roll up. You can still put a 2 to 5hp motor on those. Relocate the solar to the top of the bimini.

I use my spinnaker halyard and pole to launch the dinghy from the foredeck.
Dinghy doesn’t come with the boat and I don’t need one.

Solar are fixed 55w panels and I don’t want to cut holes in the new Bimini to mount them.
 

Israel Hands

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Ditch the wind turbine, oil derrick and store the davits onshore somewhere. ... Relocate the solar to the top of the bimini.
Yup. It'll be easier to have the forward end of that bimini recut than you think. Then you'll be set. Beautiful, airy cockpit and enough solar (wherever you mount it) so that you won't be worrying about your batteries around the Bay.
 

TheDragon

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I understand Alaris' aversion to biminis. For years, I had no canvas at all. I preferred the uncluttered view and uninhibited movement around the boat.

After some years, I got tired of taking waves in the face so I grudgingly put up the dodger my boat came with. My spouse was grateful for at least some shade. I still have no bimini. I do have the "captain's awning" that Cruisin' Loser showed in his photo. That's nice at anchor.

Unfortunately, I do see some sort of bimini-like platform in my future that will hold 1-2 solar panels. My existing panel needs to be relocated if I'm ever going to install windvane steering.
I'm amazed you have been able to do what you have without a windvane. Essential piece of gear for me, and I love the Pacific Windpilot. It steers well in the lightest to the strongest winds, better than the Raymarine EV-100 autopilot that only steers well under power.
 

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I'd get rid of the Erector Set on the back first then see what it looks like. That is the major eyesore. I also have an aversion to dodgers, biminis and oxygen tents. I built an easily folded hard top dodger for my boat. But it has rarely been down, too useful. If I spent a lot of time in a very hot climate, I might succumb to a bimini too. I draw the line at oxygen tents, which cost me a few hundred K for a proper trawler rather than one with masts, but I saved my dignity.
 

Ajax

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I'm amazed you have been able to do what you have without a windvane. Essential piece of gear for me, and I love the Pacific Windpilot. It steers well in the lightest to the strongest winds, better than the Raymarine EV-100 autopilot that only steers well under power.
Coastal sailing with only a day or 3 is no problem. Bermuda would reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally be pushing it. Annapolis to Antigua on an old wheel pilot (even with spares onboard) would not be smart, in my opinion.
 

accnick

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I am a minimalist and having all that stuff on deck would make my eye twitch. I’m reconsidering the Bimini (it would have to be recut because the bridge to the dodger is not currently removable) but I’ve decided the dodger has to go. The davits and wind generator are also gone. This is just way too much stuff:

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That is not the most attractive assembly of "stuff" I have seen on a stern, for sure. Some of these "constructions" are quite elegant and well thought out, but this doesn't appear to be one of them. It's hard to tell from the photo how many individual items there are, and what is integral with what else.
 

Alaris

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That is not the most attractive assembly of "stuff" I have seen on a stern, for sure. Some of these "constructions" are quite elegant and well thought out, but this doesn't appear to be one of them. It's hard to tell from the photo how many individual items there are, and what is integral with what else.
Yeah the seller was surprised when I indicated I may not want all of this superstructure. If only because I don’t know how to transport it.
 

accnick

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Yeah the seller was surprised when I indicated I may not want all of this superstructure. If only because I don’t know how to transport it.
You usually break it down as much as possible and strap all the big pieces together. Sometimes, the trucker will let you strap some of it to the trailer, depending on the design of the trailer and the size/shape of the bundles you want to secure to it.

When my powerboat was trucked from Massachusetts to South Carolina (long before I owned it), they removed the flying bridge and apparently strapped it to the trailer underneath the bow.

If you wind up with anything strapped to the deck or in the cockpit, it needs to be really well secured. If it comes loose, it can wreak havoc.
 


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