ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

[Bruce Hudson]

Well this contradicts what most say as many are of the opinion Laser performance are selling off old stock so these new boats are from before all this nonsense....

Also if Laser Performance have been building non compliant boats and inspections weren’t happening then many people sailing ISAF registered boats should have their results revoked and their plaques stripped! Hilarious 

Old stock? You mean the ones with plaques?

I'm unaware of results being revoked and plaques being stripped. Finding the misfortune of others speaks volumes about the character you want us all to believe you are. Well done!

 

[Popeye_ali]

Old stock? You mean the ones with plaques?

I'm unaware of results being revoked and plaques being stripped. Finding the misfortune of others speaks volumes about the character you want us all to believe you are. Well done!

Sorry I am not following. I am saying that others sailing Lasers that were built over a year to two years ago by Laser performance before this started and have the ISAF plaque, that can be used at events people may well have concerns if those now believe the so called new ones are not what they should be. Especially if Laser performance have not been making boats since their license was revoked..

 

[Bruce Hudson]

Sorry I am not following. I am saying that others sailing Lasers that were built over a year to two years ago by Laser performance before this started and have the ISAF plaque, that can be used at events people may well have concerns if those now believe the so called new ones are not what they should be. Especially if Laser performance have not been making boats since their license was revoked..

Yes, I agree, you are saying that.

The rules are straight-forward, and they are not needed to be explained here.

Any concerns are fast fading, as new boats replace the old Laser Performance ones.

 

[tillerman]

I think boats that have suffered this fate in the past were fairly low in numbers to begin with?  Hard to imagine 200,000+ ILCA's going away.  That said I'm sure Sears and kmart thought the same thing some years ago.

Is that last remaining Blockbuster in Oregon still open?


 

 

[RobbieB]

Many of those built by Laser performance in the UK. 

True but with A WS plaque they are ILCA class legal.  Same with "Laser".  That's a good reason to own a boat before this all went down.  You can be bi-classual 

 

[RobbieB]

inspections weren’t happening 

There's one of the main issues amigo that cost LPE the ball game. 

 

[tillerman]

True but with A WS plaque they are ILCA class legal.  Same with "Laser".  That's a good reason to own a boat before this all went down.  You can be bi-classual 

Biclassual? 

ILCAs and Lasers and boats that look like Lasers but don't have legal sails and... WTF is that RS Aero doing there?

 

[VWAP]

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Biclassual? 

ILCAs and Lasers and boats that look like Lasers but don't have legal sails and... WTF is that RS Aero doing there?

Frostbite [Laser/Aero]

Read the Notice of Race

1.4 For RS Aeros, the rules of the RS Aero Class Association will apply. For Lasers, the Rules
of the ILCA will apply, except as follows
■ Any class legal or non class legal sail that is built according to the ILCA
handbook and builders manual may be used. The sail must be made of Dacron, mass produced
and readily available.
■ Any class legal or non class legal hull that is built according to the ILCA
handbook and builders manual may be used. The hull must be mass produced and readily
available.
 

 

[Bill5]

WTF is that RS Aero doing there?

Picking the left side.

 

[RobbieB]

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Biclassual? 

ILCAs and Lasers and boats that look like Lasers but don't have legal sails and... WTF is that RS Aero doing there?

I think that might qualify for Panclassual, but I'm getting a little out of my element here....

 

[tillerman]

I think that might qualify for Panclassual, but I'm getting a little out of my element here....

Or is it Transclassual?

 

[Bruce Hudson]

I think that might qualify for Panclassual, but I'm getting a little out of my element here....

Someone has been listening to NPR too much? (Maybe you have. I certainly have). It is hard to escape the isms at this time.

 

[tillerman]

For Lasers, the Rules
of the ILCA will apply, except as follows
■ Any class legal or non class legal sail that is built according to the ILCA
handbook and builders manual may be used. The sail must be made of Dacron, mass produced
and readily available.
■ Any class legal or non class legal hull that is built according to the ILCA
handbook and builders manual may be used. The hull must be mass produced and readily
available.
 

Seems like a good formula for most grassroots Laser racing

 

[Popeye_ali]

I personally think the “the laser class” will take off and evolve to a point. 
The cost of the boats by comparison to ILCS new will incentivise club sailers to go this route. 
My club is a classic example. We have about 35 lasers/ILCA’s, only a handful use the genuine sails. Most are using third parties like Rooster and P&B. 
and why not if they measure the same, made using the same materials and ultimately are the same! Why would any club sailer who has no interest in circuit racing want to spend roughly £150 extra for what is effectively the same sail without a little plastic button.

Having a “the laser class” boat, is no different to those using third party anything. 
Also I guarantee resale value given that 90% of sailers are club sailers and not circuit sailers would rather have a newer boat than an older one that is registered if it makes no odds to them and their sailing. 
 

just my opinion obviously Ha

 

[chuso007]

I personally think the “the laser class” will take off and evolve to a point. 
The cost of the boats by comparison to ILCS new will incentivise club sailers to go this route. 
My club is a classic example. We have about 35 lasers/ILCA’s, only a handful use the genuine sails. Most are using third parties like Rooster and P&B. 
and why not if they measure the same, made using the same materials and ultimately are the same! Why would any club sailer who has no interest in circuit racing want to spend roughly £150 extra for what is effectively the same sail without a little plastic button.

Having a “the laser class” boat, is no different to those using third party anything. 
Also I guarantee resale value given that 90% of sailers are club sailers and not circuit sailers would rather have a newer boat than an older one that is registered if it makes no odds to them and their sailing. 
 

just my opinion obviously Ha

Are you saying LP has been ripping us off all this years?

 

[Popeye_ali]

Are you saying LP has been ripping us off all this years?

Obviously royalty’s had a role but they now have to market themselves slightly differently and there needs to be an incentive. 
Obviously they have held their moulds for many years and will be long since paid for unlike new builders...

I doubt they are making new boats at a loss... 

 

[JMP]

I personally think the “the laser class” will take off and evolve to a point. 
The cost of the boats by comparison to ILCS new will incentivise club sailers to go this route. 
My club is a classic example. We have about 35 lasers/ILCA’s, only a handful use the genuine sails. Most are using third parties like Rooster and P&B. 
and why not if they measure the same, made using the same materials and ultimately are the same! Why would any club sailer who has no interest in circuit racing want to spend roughly £150 extra for what is effectively the same sail without a little plastic button.

Having a “the laser class” boat, is no different to those using third party anything. 
Also I guarantee resale value given that 90% of sailers are club sailers and not circuit sailers would rather have a newer boat than an older one that is registered if it makes no odds to them and their sailing. 
 

just my opinion obviously Ha

I can't see TLC taking off as a true international class, they couldn't even get their act together to get past the first hurdle of WS approval.  They'll hang around as a local European thing as long as LP keeps funding them

 

[torrid]

Or is it Transclassual?

That's sailing a Laser with a Sunfish rig.

 

[Xeon]

Anything using a sunfish rig is simply called a DOG  :lol:

 

[tillerman]

That's sailing a Laser with a Sunfish rig.

Or even better...



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