ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

SimonN

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After an extensive evaluation process analyzing every single detail of the boat both on and off the water we are glad to announce that The Laser is officially being produced in Portugal! 
WTF did they need to analyse. It's an f##ing Laser. They have been building them in various factories for years. They know the construction method. Or are they trying to say they have changed the boat?

 

JimC

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WTF did they need to analyse. It's an f##ing Laser. 
Well sorta, but what's the betting that not one person from Long Buckby has had any involvement with the new factory, there has been no meaningful skills transfer, and in practice there is no difference between this and a new builder setting out to build Lasers for the first time?

 

JimC

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Something else

Which manufacturer supplied the boats for the current ILCA Worlds?
http://2021-standard-men.laser-worlds.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2021/10/Charter-Boat-Allocation-Rules.pdf

1. There will be three (3) manufacturers providing an equal number of charter boats:

• Devoti

• Nautivela

• Ovington
 

It would be extremely interesting to do a statistical analysis on the results. Its close to an ideal test for evaluating boat speed. One would hope that ILCA will do/are doing this. If you're reading this ILCA I'd rather like to give it a go if you don't have it in progress.

 
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huntsman

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It would be extremely interesting to do a statistical analysis on the results. Its close to an ideal test for evaluating boat speed. One would hope that ILCA will do/are doing this. If you're reading this ILCA I'd rather like to give it a go if you don't have it in progress
Looks like a good mix of manufacturers - I did a very quick analysis in Excel and here is a screenshot of the top 30 or so after 3 gold fleet races.

Results as at 09-11-2021 with manufacturer.jpg

 

Bill5

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This speaks pretty well to ILCA’s commitment to ensure all builders are sticking to the construction manual. There were those that believed some of the boats would be “hotter”. 

 

SimonN

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Well sorta, but what's the betting that not one person from Long Buckby has had any involvement with the new factory, there has been no meaningful skills transfer, and in practice there is no difference between this and a new builder setting out to build Lasers for the first time?
Do you really think that Devoti or Ovington did an extensive evaluation process analyzing every single detail of the boat both on and off the water, or do you think they took the build manual and tried to build in accordance with that? Long and short - no amount of analysis of the boat on and/or off the water means anything if you have to build in accordance with the build manual.

 

JimC

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In my limited experience of industrial manufacture I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible to follow the build manual and still deliver a p*** poor product. I recall RS' catastrophic attempt at having RS200 hulls built in Brazil.

 

Wess

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Years ago, when all this bullshit started with LP, many of us , including Bruce Kirby, suggested we simply change the name of the boat and continue. 
   The ILCA officers saw a way to do what they have done instead. 
 

In the meantime one thing has remained the same:

North American singlehanded sailing needs a well funded, enthusiastically run, absolutely supportive to the racing game, supplier of inexpensive durable singlehanded one design sailing toys. 
And they still don’t have that LOL!

 

Xeon

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You got that right. The ILCA is absurdly expensive. Such a shame.
But that’s where your still wrong , again. 
The ILCA is no more expensive than it ever was if you take inflation into account . 
 

What you are now wanting is a boat cheaper than it’s ever been , if you take inflation into account. And that’s just not possible in the modern world as the whole sailing market shrinks, if you want boat building companies to make a profit.  It’s just not possible with a grp/frp boat , it could be possible with a rotamoulded boat but no one has yet made one  ILCA sized that’s not s@@t . 
 

The bottom line in the uk is I can not buy any ILCA sized racing  dinghy cheaper than a ILCA.

( RIP ‘ The Laser Class ) 

 

Xeon

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LOL, ILCAs are absurdly expensive.  Used to be a grass roots class.  Now all about the elite and Olympics. 
Wess your so funny ,  please keep on  howling at the moon .

Its so entertaining and eventually you might manage to persuade member of the flat earth society around to your point of view . Lol .

The bottom line is the class is better off without LPE and has gone from strength to strength, what ever you ramblings you post on here  :D

(  RIP ‘ The Laser Class )

 
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