The class has stated that the boats they have now reviewed are class legal. Essentially, they grandfathered all the non-complying boats in without using "grandfathering" language. If you look at the latest boats from ZIM, LP, and the previous batch of actual C420s from PS2000, you will notice very significant design differences that are easy to see. Latest ZIMs do not have all the same shroud lengths as LPs, PS2000s, and prior Zims. The masts themselves fit.
Yeah that's what I was alluding to. This needs to be made explicit IMHO, and tightened going forward...
if he set his shit up properly his house won't be touchable for a non-criminal case. I think. Going back to business law in 2011 here......AND, that has been true since the beginning of GRP and before! In every class! Heck, I had a centerboard from a one design that when it came apart, it literally looked like it was held togehter with bubble gum. No, it was PL259. Even worse
Weigh the bastards. Apply penalty (6 sec / mile ---- just kidding) let them sail.
Or, go to court as a class action, and what? Get Matt to sell his house. Then what? Get your money back? IF possible wold be nice. But is this feasible?
Someone has to do some calculus (but as a group outside this public forum) to find the best way forward.
It does seem like a 10 kg corrector weight in the bow or 5 kg at bow and 5 kg at transom would make the boats slower than the existing...But then the owner's of these boats would feel cheated yet again. Which is why undwertandably they wanty a fix.
Oh how about Matt Wake has to take them back, rip the decks off and replace with a class legal deck?
You are absolutely correct. I have to wonder what he’s going to do for a career now. Moving forward how many people would do business with him as a vendor or customer in the sailing industry.
it's not about how you set up your business. It's about how you actually do things. If you run your business like a business, you're protected, especially if you've actually dissolved the company or filed for bankruptcy. If you ran it like a sloppy fuck, it's quite common to see the 'corporate veil' be pierced. A smart guy often has a family trust own his house though.
No sure LP are building much of anything at all these days other than the Sunfish . 😀
You know it's going poorly for your brand when you get other people's company-killing scandals misattributed to you. This C420 situation was a PS2000 issue, not an LP issue. PS2000 was owned by Sturgis, which needed to go chapter 11 and was sold for parts to handle the blowback.
And the word on the street is they aren'd doing a very good job of it either.
Something like sturdier M15 with a replaceable rubber bow bumper, replaceable rubber rails at the sheer line, with a false deck and open transom?
i've ripped apart a few older boats and theres loads of wood inside them?
Sturdier? It’s a pretty solid hull already
In my experience, most kids don’t care what kind of boat they are sailing - they are social animals and get their kicks out of being with other kids. The smiles on the faces of the 12 yr old Opti kids coming off the water is no smaller than the smiles of the 16 year old 420 kids or the 18 year old 29er kids.
My point was about kids having fun in all kinds of boats.
Add in that 420 builders offer multi-boat discounts, where Melges tells you to get bent. Essentially another 20% missing from that conversation. Melges seems to be the ONLY manufacturer that doesn't offer a volume discount.
