Imitation Milk Product

[Nailing Malarkey Too]

I'm off to Egypt Sunday and I'll be packing some organic dehydrated Di-hydrogen Monoxide. The instructions say just add water and shake. 

It goes well with my 

 

[Nailing Malarkey Too]

Medicine as currently practiced is making us weaker as a species.

The FDA heard you but antibiotic= dead germs marketed to mothers sells, 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/02/492394717/fda-bans-19-chemicals-used-in-antibacterial-soaps

All good points but it sounds like you are against antibiotics. It is a bit like Global warming.  We can slow the release of CO2 but it will still keep accumulating. The "proper" use of antibiotics should be practised but in reality the same resistance will still occur,  just a bit slower. 

I grew up with a mother who made me wash with pHisoHex.  

The kiwis have a neat answer called zoonocide. 

 

[VhmSays]

All good points but it sounds like you are against antibiotics. It is a bit like Global warming.  We can slow the release of CO2 but it will still keep accumulating. The "proper" use of antibiotics should be practised but in reality the same resistance will still occur,  just a bit slower. 

I grew up with a mother who made me wash with pHisoHex.  

The kiwis have a neat answer called zoonocide. 

Just stating facts and am not against antibiotics just stupid use like prescribing for a flu or a superficial clean scratch. I am against indiscriminate use especially in farming where massive amounts are used to prevent rather than cure, a lot of that enters the food chain and the environment but ask a poultry farmer what happens if he doesn't dose the water with antibiotics and the hens get a contagious disease. We are used to meat for the price of bread.

As multi drug resistance organisms became more common and no new antibiotics were discovered the medical community became concerned and tried to delay development and spread of MDR but life happens and people are people, so extensively (XDR) and pandrug-resistant (PDR) organisms (eg: tuberculosis) are spreading. In over 30 years only one new class of antibiotics has been found. 30 plus years of research. 

I'd like to give the coming generations as much time as possible to find solutions.

 

[ShortForBob]

Actually, Meli - for some kids who are lactose intolerant, their systems are able to process the raw, unpasteurized milk.  I have a military buddy who's wife quit work and started a co-op outside Richmond, VA milking cows to provide raw milk to families w/lactose issues.   So - yeah, there are instances in which this would be a very positive thing. 

http://time.com/17483/study-shows-once-and-for-all-that-raw-milk-doesnt-help-lactose-intolerance/

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

http://time.com/17483/study-shows-once-and-for-all-that-raw-milk-doesnt-help-lactose-intolerance/

Sorry - I know for a fact that it helped Ken's kids and the others with whom they shared.  Before the raw milk?  They'd get cramps, and get sick if they drank store milk or ate anything that had uncooked milk products.  They thrived on the raw milk.   I saw it with my own two eyes, and was sadly responsible for causing one of those fits when I took 'em out for ice cream w/my kids not knowing about the allergy.  Nothing like causing 3 little kids to be crying and doubled up in pain puking all over the back of your car to make you learn to ask about things like that before giving someone else's kid ANYTHING to eat. 

 

[ShortForBob]

Couple of years ago I was listening to a pediatrician talking about the rise of allergies.

She made an interesting observation.

She suggested one look at the graves in your local cemetery..the number of children who died pre antibiotics.

Her theory was that kids back then that had weaknesses in immune systems, or any sort of allergy prone genes, simply died before they could pass on those genes.

With the discovery of anti biotics, many more "sickly" children survived to adulthood. passing those genes on to the next generation.

Dunno if this is a proven theory, but it's interesting.

 

[Steam Flyer]

Plain soap and water do the job as well as antibacterial soap, the problem with adding the antibacterial agents include harm to the normal skin flora, absorption and bioaccumulation with unintended consequences like allergic reactions, hormonal disruption, even tumors (unrealistic doses) and then going down the drain into the environment where again things like bioaccumulation, resistance and such can occur. 

Thanks for that - I didn't know that the antibacterial agents in soaps would cause those things.  

It also kills helpful bacteria in the downstream water treatment systems, and the main point is that it -doesn't- kill many disease-causing bacteria (I'm not aware of any pathogens it clears but I don't know everything).

The foamy alcohol hand sanitizers are good (there are a couple of pathogens it won't clear but it does a lot) -and- it breaks down in the treatment system. They're hard on your skin though. And they're great for dinnerware IMHO although Mrs Steam prefers I not do the dishes (she loves my cooking).

-DSK

 

[VhmSays]

Couple of years ago I was listening to a pediatrician talking about the rise of allergies.

She made an interesting observation.

She suggested one look at the graves in your local cemetery..the number of children who died pre antibiotics.

Her theory was that kids back then that had weaknesses in immune systems, or any sort of allergy prone genes, simply died before they could pass on those genes.

With the discovery of anti biotics, many more "sickly" children survived to adulthood. passing those genes on to the next generation.

Dunno if this is a proven theory, but it's interesting.

Thats what I meant by..

Medicine as currently practiced is making us weaker as a species.

Many paths in this discussion can be taken as an excuse for eugenics but with advances like CRISPR and base editing we are on the cusp of stopping natural evolution of humans and either maintaining it to a fixed ideal or evolving ourselves. Some way to go but its not sci-fi anymore and we better get there before some random superbug wipes us out. 

 

[ShortForBob]

Thats what I meant by..

Many paths in this discussion can be taken as an excuse for eugenics but with advances like CRISPR and base editing we are on the cusp of stopping natural evolution of humans and either maintaining it to a fixed ideal or evolving ourselves. Some way to go but its not sci-fi anymore and we better get there before some random superbug wipes us out. 

Woah..Observations about the survival of vunerable kids is not an excuse for eugenics..thanks.

 

[Saorsa]

Here is an interesting article on the increasing number of nut allergies.

One reason for the increase may be  lack of exposure via the mother.

In a recent study of 8,205 children, 140 of whom had allergies to nuts, researchers found that children whose nonallergic mothers had the highest consumption of peanuts or tree nuts, or both, during pregnancy had the lowest risk of developing a nut allergy. The risk was most reduced among the children of mothers who ate nuts five or more times a month.

The researchers, led by Dr. A. Lindsay Frazier of Dana-Farber/Children’s Hospital Cancer Center in Boston, wrote: “Our study supports the hypothesis that early allergen exposure increases the likelihood of tolerance and thereby lowers the risk of childhood food allergy.” They added that their data “support the recent decisions to rescind recommendations that all mothers avoid peanuts/total nuts during pregnancy and breast-feeding.”

 

[VhmSays]

Woah..Observations about the survival of vunerable kids is not an excuse for eugenics..thanks.

Consider the sickly passing on genes to the next gen, that has been used as an excuse before. 

 

[VhmSays]

I really don't think most folks  appreciate or fully understand that antibiotics have only been available on scale since just before WWII....in all of mans history before then a simple cut given the wrong circumstances could lead to serious infection causing all type of misery and often death... 

Once antibiotics were understood there was an explosion of discovery, it was like a new gold mine with nuggets lying all around, then the gold became harder and harder to come by and finally it ran out but people kept digging and 30 years later with a new way to culture bacteria in the soil (its natural environment) a new drug was found and hopefully more will be but organisms share a lot of their defenses across species and most of the ones we could hijack and use we already have. So we search for new species of organisms and look for novel ways of defense that they have developed that we can use safely. 30 years for one drug after we knew what we were looking for.   

 

[Steam Flyer]

Thats what I meant by..

Many paths in this discussion can be taken as an excuse for eugenics but with advances like CRISPR and base editing we are on the cusp of stopping natural evolution of humans and either maintaining it to a fixed ideal or evolving ourselves. Some way to go but its not sci-fi anymore and we better get there before some random superbug wipes us out. 

CRISPR is really scary to me. I'm old and won't have to worry about it though. The best safety factor is the fact that you have have a couple of pretty smart scientists to work it. But having the brainpower does not equate to having even the slightest trace of wisdom or integrity. I feel that it's only a matter of time until some disaster occurs and the human race is toast.

-DSK

 

[Nailing Malarkey Too]

Just stating facts and am not against antibiotics just stupid use like prescribing for a flu or a superficial clean scratch. I am against indiscriminate use especially in farming where massive amounts are used to prevent rather than cure, a lot of that enters the food chain and the environment but ask a poultry farmer what happens if he doesn't dose the water with antibiotics and the hens get a contagious disease. We are used to meat for the price of bread.

As multi drug resistance organisms became more common and no new antibiotics were discovered the medical community became concerned and tried to delay development and spread of MDR but life happens and people are people, so extensively (XDR) and pandrug-resistant (PDR) organisms (eg: tuberculosis) are spreading. In over 30 years only one new class of antibiotics has been found. 30 plus years of research. 

I'd like to give the coming generations as much time as possible to find solutions.

Fair enough. 

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Thats what I meant by..

Many paths in this discussion can be taken as an excuse for eugenics but with advances like CRISPR and base editing we are on the cusp of stopping natural evolution of humans and either maintaining it to a fixed ideal or evolving ourselves. Some way to go but its not sci-fi anymore and we better get there before some random superbug wipes us out. 

CRISPR is really scary to me. I'm old and won't have to worry about it though. The best safety factor is the fact that you have have a couple of pretty smart scientists to work it. But having the brainpower does not equate to having even the slightest trace of wisdom or integrity. I feel that it's only a matter of time until some disaster occurs and the human race is toast.

I think we'll evolve ourselves, among other species. Somewhat scary but may be a way out of things like the obsolescence of antibiotics. Scary or not, we can and so we will. Imitation human products?

 

[austin1972]

CRISPR is really scary to me. I'm old and won't have to worry about it though. The best safety factor is the fact that you have have a couple of pretty smart scientists to work it. But having the brainpower does not equate to having even the slightest trace of wisdom or integrity. I feel that it's only a matter of time until some disaster occurs and the human race is toast.

-DSK

So, for my chronic atopic eczema I'm now taking a biologic which basically retrains my DNA to create some proteins and quit making others. It's literally saving my life. Shit's expensive but it's the only thing that's worked. The corticosteroids weren't doing jack. Having to shoot myself up every two weeks is creepy as hell. I'd make a terrible heroin addict. Yikes. I just got the heebie jeebies thinking about sticking that needle in.

 

[Steam Flyer]

CRISPR is really scary to me. I'm old and won't have to worry about it though. The best safety factor is the fact that you have have a couple of pretty smart scientists to work it. But having the brainpower does not equate to having even the slightest trace of wisdom or integrity. I feel that it's only a matter of time until some disaster occurs and the human race is toast.

-DSK

So, for my chronic atopic eczema I'm now taking a biologic which basically retrains my DNA to create some proteins and quit making others. It's literally saving my life. Shit's expensive but it's the only thing that's worked. The corticosteroids weren't doing jack. Having to shoot myself up every two weeks is creepy as hell. I'd make a terrible heroin addict. Yikes. I just got the heebie jeebies thinking about sticking that needle in.

I don't like needles either.

Using various methods for gene therapy has produced some great treatment and has incredible potential. But it's also incredibly powerful with profound unintended consequences. We have a DNA map but we don't have the slightest clue what 99%+ of it does, in fact it appears that it does different stuff under different circumstances. It's like drug interaction to the gazillionth exponential power, there is simply no way to test every combination and it's a guarantee that somebody is going to get bitten in the ass before it's all over.... the potential is that the "somebody" could be all of us

But I also know it's impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. So my plan is, just hang on and see. Fortunately I have already had a great life and everything from here on is a bonus (and I'm relatively healthy & happy). Glad to know there is a good treatment for your eczema, that's bad stuff

-DSK

 

[austin1972]

Glad to know there is a good treatment for your eczema, that's bad stuff

-DSK

The only known side effect is some people get vulnerable to conjunctivitis. So, I need to be more careful with how I do my contacts. But yeah. My eczema can get so bad that I can't tie my shoes which doesn't matter because I can't even walk when it gets that bad. I've got it bad. Blood all over the floors and faucets.

Came out of nowhere about 4 years ago. This Dupixent kicks its ass though, so I'm going to the French Riviera today for a week. Flying to Nice at 8 this evening!

 

[Gouvernail]

 “Without the fat of whole milk, the vitamins break down in skim milk before reaching consumers.”

Really?? By what process? What enzymes do this work? This seems like an unsupported claim, but my biology education was limited and finished close to five decades ago. 

However... 

My Biology professor roommate’s response was, “Where are you reading this? What a bunch of non-sense.”

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

 “Without the fat of whole milk, the vitamins break down in skim milk before reaching consumers.”

Really?? By what process? What enzymes do this work? This seems like an unsupported claim, but my biology education was limited and finished close to five decades ago. 

However... 

My Biology professor roommate’s response was, “Where are you reading this? What a bunch of non-sense.”

I was wondering about that too. I last studied biology in 9th grade and the main thing I remember is waking up one day about halfway to the floor. I might have had a few successful naps during that class too.