In this day where multihulls are cleary the fastest boats on the ocean, why do we even care about huge monohulls anymore?" Bob Perry,

Bull City

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If Bob Perry was misquoted, why are we talking about this? But since we are... Multi-hulls have a higher incidence of ugly boats that do monohulls. 
@Bob Perry Bob, perhaps you could provide some clarification on the multi-hull vs mono-hull quote, so that the scholars present can begin parsing it. Or, just sit back and chuckle.

 

chester

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@Bob Perry Bob, perhaps you could provide some clarification on the multi-hull vs mono-hull quote, so that the scholars present can begin parsing it. Or, just sit back and chuckle.
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Bob Perry

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I most certainly did not say that. What I have said several times is that you have to wear a different hat when judging the aesthetics of multihulls.

I like the way my own 54'er looks but that look doesn't give you the condo like accommodations people want today on a cat.

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Bull City

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I most certainly did not say that. What I have said several times is that you have to wear a different hat when judging the aesthetics of multihulls.

I like the way my own 54'er looks but that look doesn't give you the condo like accommodations people want today on a cat.
Thank you, Bob, for clearing that up. To me, the sweeping statement attributed to you by the OP seemed out of character.

@ricwoz Misquoting is a serious matter. What do you have to say for yourself?

 
I most certainly did not say that. What I have said several times is that you have to wear a different hat when judging the aesthetics of multihulls.

I like the way my own 54'er looks but that look doesn't give you the condo like accommodations people want today on a cat.

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My sincere apologies.   I assure I didn't just make this up and attribute it to you, or intentionally misapply or selectively edit something you said, but that is apparently what happened.    You know, I had something like that happen to me once on a different forum and it pissed me off no end, because once the misquote was put out there, others took it as true.    So, perhaps I've done an inadvertent good thing by bringing this up front and center, whereas it has been lurking in a signature file of another prominent SA poster for a while.   

I screen shot it, mostly to prove my innocence. (Or, perhaps I should say my naivete in believing that random signature files are a reliable source for quotes, even here on SA.) 

Again, my sincere apologies.  I'm a huge fan of your designs, and particularly love that catamaran posted up above.

ORIGINAL SOURCE OF QUOTE: 

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Thank you, Bob, for clearing that up. To me, the sweeping statement attributed to you by the OP seemed out of character.

@ricwoz Misquoting is a serious matter. What do you have to say for yourself?
I've apologized to Bob above. 

I have provided him (and everyone) with the source of the quote, which I saw and took from another (very prominent) posters sig file.  As such the quote has *ALREADY* been reproduced, perhaps hundreds of times here, on SA.    Trovao has over 7,000 posts.  I don't know how long he has been appending this now repudiated quote by Bob Perry to them.   I've only mentioned it once, albeit, in a thread title.  Still, my bad, and I'm sorry. 

The first person to call me (and the quote out) was ChuteFirst who said: 




You misquoted Bob Perry.

He was referring to grand prix mono hull race boats like Comanche vs multis. Not cruising boats.

Racing and cruising is a poor comparison.
It's particularly churlish for Trovao to "upvote"  the above,  where I am chastised for misquoting Bob, when in fact I am merely quoting Trovao himself, mis-quoting Bob. I think that's called "chutzpah" in New York. 

Here is Trovao's full (now repudiated) quote, with all original emphasis and context retained. 
 

"In this day where multihulls are clearly the fastest boats on the ocean, why do we even care about huge monohulls anymore?" Bob Perry, August 15th, 2011, commenting on Rambler's capsize
Now, ChuteFirst has accused me of "misapplying" the quote. 

He says that the quote was referring to one thing, and I've applied it to another.  It was about racing, but I've posted it here in the Cruising forum. 

The fact that it was about racing is apparent if one goes and looks up the Rambler capsize, and sees that it was a 100' maxi-multihull that flipped in the Fastnet race.  This was apparent in Trovao's post, which  included "commenting on Rambler's capsize".   

So, if it was a real quote, then I would also say I'm sorry for mis-applying it.  But, then, quotes are misapplied a lot.  How many people know that Ghandi's famous "an eye for and eye makes the whole world blind" was made in response to him being told it was his turn to pay for lunch?  

So, it's a much lesser offense, and in fact, one thing that makes a great quote is that it's applicable in many more situations than the place it was originally uttered.   Saying "multihulls are clearly the fastest boats on the ocean now" would be that sort of quote.    

In any case, as I did not include the same level of context, I will admit I may have inadvertantly misapplied that, but that's not the same as misquoting someone - which the as Bull City has told me: Misquoting is a serious matter. What do you have to say for yourself?   

OK, Bull City. You have all the information. I've said what I have to say for myself.  It is Trovao who apparently created this now repudiated false quote. Because Bob Perry himself has said: "I most certainly did not say that."   Bull City, please take it up directly with Trovao,  I don't know why he did it.  It's a serious matter, as you say. 
 



 

kinardly

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I don’t see many cruising multis on the West Coast but I’ve yet to be impressed with their performance in real world, lets tack up the bay with all our cruising stuff to the next anchorage scenarios. Sure, I know there are stripped out, stark minimalist interior multis that are going to be faster but our 40’ mono with three double cabins, woodsy interior and most every comfort amenity one could need has blown the doors off of more Seawinds, Gemini’s and Mantas in our 8-12 kt average conditions than I could possibly count. The only clear cut advantage I would acknowledge is the after sail barbecue at anchorage. 

 
Well, I’m glad we’ve settled that! ;)

But seriously, if I were given the design brief to build a sailboat that could win races of 1,000+ miles in the open ocean, with the only parameter being maximum length, of course I’d go with a multihull—even more so if the crew was limited in size.  Every long distance sailing speed record that I am aware of is held by multihulls. It is bizarre to watch very rich people spending piles of cash to build 100’  racing monohulls that take a crew of 35 and have zero creature comforts when a pile of cash half that size would pay for a much smaller multihull that could quite literally sail circles around for the 100’ monohull with a crew of 6.  

As for the AC Cup boat, I’d be delighted to see it offshore—one would have to look quickly before it crashed and sank.  Maybe someday, but right now anyone who wants to get from one side of an ocean to the other really damn fast is going to be driving a multihull.

 

European Bloke

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I guess there's misquoting and then there's taking a quote out of context.

Either way we're still on the interweb. Calm down.

I think most people would agree that there are excellent and terrible examples of both monos and mulitis, and a place for each. I'm a mono sailor, but there are a few mulitis I'd love to get a sail in and see what they're really about.

 

tane

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"... that you have to wear a different hat when judging the aesthetics of multihulls..."
with the multihulls we saw on our last France-Tahiti trip it was more a case of "wearing blinkers/blindfolds". Nearly all of them unspeakably ugly.

 

Panoramix

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I think it is fair to say that a well designed multihull can be nice comfortable and fast (thinking of boats like those designed by Outremer) but offshore IMHO, you need to have the right skillset whereas a well designed monohull can be forgiving.

Apart from price and practicalities, that would be the main reason not to go on the "dark side"...

A hobie cat 16 to cross the bay... anytime, call me if you need a crew!

I would put Wharram's boats in a different category as the low power, super simple and low freeboard put them in a different category that is much more accesible IMHO.

 

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As for the AC Cup boat, I’d be delighted to see it offshore—one would have to look quickly before it crashed and sank.
I'd love to see boat build for breaking ocean crossing records based on the AC foiling monohull concept. Or even better, the Syroco kite foiler one. People don't blink an eye when short handed racers use advanced autopilots to control their craft in a 2D plane. Why not take it a step up to automated ride-height control?

I have no preference for either mono or multihulls, can be happy floating about on a piece of styrofoam. But modern technology applied to sailing is exiting.

 
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TwoLegged

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I don’t see many cruising multis on the West Coast but I’ve yet to be impressed with their performance in real world, lets tack up the bay with all our cruising stuff to the next anchorage scenarios. Sure, I know there are stripped out, stark minimalist interior multis that are going to be faster but our 40’ mono with three double cabins, woodsy interior and most every comfort amenity one could need has blown the doors off of more Seawinds, Gemini’s and Mantas in our 8-12 kt average conditions than I could possibly count. The only clear cut advantage I would acknowledge is the after sail barbecue at anchorage. 
A comparison based only on the worst point of sail of a bridgedeck cat seems to me to be not very useful.

 




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