Leeroy Jenkins
Super Anarchist
Around here if you don't want to see the ugly condo cats, just get away from the dock.
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In this day where multihulls are cleary the fastest boats on the ocean, why do we even care about huge monohulls anymore?" Bob Perry,
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Panoramix
Super Anarchist
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My point was just that I know actual people who use the speed of a light cat to go further away than what other amateurs from Brittany do, not sure why it bothers you so much!
AFAIU, rather than a generality, Bob's point was why bother designing a super maxi while a smaller racing tri will always be faster!
My point was just that I know actual people who use the speed of a light cat to go further away than what other amateurs from Brittany do, not sure why it bothers you so much!
Russell Brown
Super Anarchist
To me, Condo Cats give the general public the best reason they ever had to hate multihulls.
kinardly
Super Anarchist
I belatedly realize the original post was about maxi monos vs racing multis. Maybe b/c this is supposed to be Cruising (or is that cuisine?)Anarchy but I apologize for my irrelevant post up thread.
Obviously, all multis aren’t necessarily faster or better for cruising than monos but it does seem to be the general perception among the uninformed.
Obviously, all multis aren’t necessarily faster or better for cruising than monos but it does seem to be the general perception among the uninformed.
You wouldn't post that quote in the Cruising forum unless the intent was to generalize it to the cruising context, would you? If not, why not the Racing or Multihull thread?
I have little interest in what people in Brittany do, but your post at least strongly implied that it was an innate, large speed advantage their cat had over any monohull ("This is something you can't do on a mono"). A huge body of unbiased data suggests otherwise, at least for cruising boats.
I guess it is also time someone pointed out that while multihulls (specifically trimarans, not cats) own just about every passage record and have for some time, there is one that is still owned by monohulls: RTW westbound. But gentlemen (and cruisers) don't go that way.
AnIdiot
Sock
I dunno how relevant or interesting this is but: I have been eyeing up fast cruising cats for a while. Initially, before I got my first cruiser (as opposed to a dinghy), I was struck by a colleague's cruising plans being limited by the 3-4kt planning speed for his Westerly and started thinking a cat might be a good way to extend cruising grounds. I did some online digging, read a few books, looked at for-sale sites. I shortlisted the Woods designs & maybe Shuttleworths, Tennants etc. was intrigued by Wharrams but figured they didn't fit my needs etc. Tried a day trip wildlife-spotting in Cornwall on one, too.
Cats like this are thin on the ground around here (hmm, pause for thought as to why....). Few of them are fibreglass, and I just didn't think ply was right for us.
We bought an old cruiser-racer, better to understand what we wanted out of a boat. Learned a lot.
I asked on here about alternatives- seemed the shortlist was about right: small cats are cramped, big ones expensive. Most mid-sized ones are floating caravans.
A Woods came up for sale not too far away: looked at it long & hard online, emailed the seller, couldn't quite convince myself that it was the right direction to go in... we would need to travel light to get the benefits, we would need to sail pro-actively to realise the speed benefits, was this particular boat solidly built? Seaworthy? Would we be able to move it on if we needed to? How easy would it be to find berths or moorings? Boatyards that wouldn't treat it as a weird thing that warranted extra charges?
Would the net gain be worth this extra FUD?
We went to the boat show to look at shiny new boats, weren't impressed... and ended up buying a really nice, relatively old, relatively heavy cruising boat. I think we'll be more comfortable with it.
I think, on balance, that I want to be a Cat-Guy but really, I'm not. Maybe in another life.
Cats like this are thin on the ground around here (hmm, pause for thought as to why....). Few of them are fibreglass, and I just didn't think ply was right for us.
We bought an old cruiser-racer, better to understand what we wanted out of a boat. Learned a lot.
I asked on here about alternatives- seemed the shortlist was about right: small cats are cramped, big ones expensive. Most mid-sized ones are floating caravans.
A Woods came up for sale not too far away: looked at it long & hard online, emailed the seller, couldn't quite convince myself that it was the right direction to go in... we would need to travel light to get the benefits, we would need to sail pro-actively to realise the speed benefits, was this particular boat solidly built? Seaworthy? Would we be able to move it on if we needed to? How easy would it be to find berths or moorings? Boatyards that wouldn't treat it as a weird thing that warranted extra charges?
Would the net gain be worth this extra FUD?
We went to the boat show to look at shiny new boats, weren't impressed... and ended up buying a really nice, relatively old, relatively heavy cruising boat. I think we'll be more comfortable with it.
I think, on balance, that I want to be a Cat-Guy but really, I'm not. Maybe in another life.
socalrider
Super Anarchist
This Lerouge 147 45' cat looks pretty ideal to my eye for fast active sailing for a cruising family, if you could keep it light.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2013-lerouge-137-7851766/
$585k, and in Phuket - I suspect it'd be asking $800k on the W Coast. Appealing to me versus something like a Deerfoot, though the latter is probably less $$ once ready to cruise.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1990-deerfoot-63-7950885/
All just too expensive at least for my budget. If I were able to convince the fam I'd probably go for something like this instead:
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1984-custom-compass-47-cutter-by-kearley-marine-8185998/
There's not really a comparable catamaran option available at that price point.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2013-lerouge-137-7851766/
$585k, and in Phuket - I suspect it'd be asking $800k on the W Coast. Appealing to me versus something like a Deerfoot, though the latter is probably less $$ once ready to cruise.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1990-deerfoot-63-7950885/
All just too expensive at least for my budget. If I were able to convince the fam I'd probably go for something like this instead:
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1984-custom-compass-47-cutter-by-kearley-marine-8185998/
There's not really a comparable catamaran option available at that price point.
Max Rockatansky
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Ryan Finn is, or at least is going round the Americas. In fact, on a Russell Brown boat.
Track:
https://share.garmin.com/82X63?fbclid=IwAR3FXk_x0Qf6mbjEwXG6ghrSqsOOX6SZvensbCEZSogH0drSvLLd0SPbrY0
Facebook:
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Panoramix
Super Anarchist
There is, but as I said above it isn't for the same kind of sailors :
https://www.leboncoin.fr/nautisme/2102766531.htm
A sampling of instantaneous speeds from the Inreach show that boat going pretty fast on average! I wish it also reported wind data which would be very interesting. But not exactly a mom & pop cruiser?
I had an odd epiphany a few days ago about using a pair of Flettner rotors on a proa. Might as well use Magnus rotors for the blades too. You could shunt instantly!
Kenny Dumas
Super Anarchist
With a little math, your instantaneous shunt could be converted into a full time Continuous Wave Shunt
Santanasailor
Charter Member. Scow Mafia
I’ll dip into this “round the world” business. Most of these are really races around Antarctica. They sail down to the southern ocean, do a lap around Antarctica and then sail north back to their place of origin. Now, sailing in the Southern ocean is a pretty harrowing event and these sailors are certainly among the very best as the conditions dictate such. However, a real round the world race would be though both of the major canals, sticking as close to the equator as the continents allow. (Deducting the time spent traversing said canals) Then we would test the big cats and tri’s to see just how fast they are compared to a well sailed monohull when the winds are variable and the race really is not a downwind sleigh ride.
The Tea Clippers, while denied the the Suez Canal, racing from China to England, were quite impressive in their sailing and did not have the advantage of a downwind sleigh ride.
The Tea Clippers, while denied the the Suez Canal, racing from China to England, were quite impressive in their sailing and did not have the advantage of a downwind sleigh ride.
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The great unwashed
Member
All the tea clipper records have been broken soundly by much smaller multihulls.
floater
Super Duper Anarchist
fufkin
Super Anarchist
Let’s give those unicorns who actually want to keep the weight down and push a performance cruising cat some air time.
Here’s the TS 50...I guess you could call this a predecessor to the TS 5, on a champagne run(kinda looks like a pro delivery crew).
Sure, this doesn’t represent the whole picture in terms of conditions and heading, but it sure looks like a blast...
slap
Super Anarchist
Looks like a heck of alot more fun than any condo cat!
Santanasailor
Charter Member. Scow Mafia
Carrying a full load (over 1 million pounds) of tea as well?
Copied from the Wikipedia article on the clipper Cutty Sark
“Cutty Sark was destined for the tea trade, a seasonal trade of a high value cargo from China to London. Though the "premium" or bonus paid to the ship that arrived with the first tea of the year was abandoned after the Great Tea Race of 1866, faster ships could usually obtain a higher price for transporting their cargoes than others.[2] Her first round trip voyage under captain George Moodie began 16 February 1870 from London with a cargo of wine, spirits and beer bound for Shanghai. The return journey, carrying 1,305,812 lbs of tea from Shanghai, began 25 June, arriving 13 October in London via the Cape of Good Hope.
Cutty Sark sailed in eight "tea seasons", from London to China and back.[2]”
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