In this day where multihulls are cleary the fastest boats on the ocean, why do we even care about huge monohulls anymore?" Bob Perry,

[Panoramix]

Here’s the TS 50...I guess you could call this a predecessor to the TS 5, on a champagne run(kinda looks like a pro delivery crew).

It doesn't take 4 pros to deliver a cat across the bay of Biscay IMHO...

My guess would be just friends of the owners or kids + friends...

 

[fufkin]

It doesn't take 4 pros to deliver a cat across the bay of Biscay IMHO...

My guess would be just friends of the owners or kids + friends...

Thanks for your guess...very informative.

 

[MRS OCTOPUS]

1 hour ago, fufkin said:

I am not sure the TS50 / TS5 is a good role model.

There was Mallaig, then Spain. 
Nice looking boats though.

 

[2flit]

A wayward multi-hullers report from the nether regions of in-between cruising on a potential circumnavigation.

I'm born and  raised 40 year on mono-hulls, mostly cruising but a tiny bit of racing. Then - on a lark - I bought a Kurt Hughes H26/28 and had the best time of my sailing/cruising life. I doubt I'll ever go back. The need for more space (or as my girlfriend of the time put it... a 'legal' place to  shit)... well ; that 'need' grew us into a Farrier F36/39. 

I'm married now and over 60 years aged and we carry touring bicycles and allot of crap that slows this old girl down. Even so.... sailing conservatively... with a somewhat aged crew of just the two of us.... we have turned in over 300 mile days. This boat sails like it's on rails at 13 knots down wind in the pitch dark night, we don't have a care or worry about a broach. She is that well behaved. and the last time I was downwind in a 50 foot mono (Caulkins 50,in the Straight of Juan De Fuca) I would say that we were 'on edge' and I would never do that cruising at night solo.

We are a between-er in that we carry allot of gear to the point that I'd call us a mid-weight multi. But we still eat up the miles in amazing comfort like very few monos I have seen out here (including the ilk of RM and such) 

and to think this hull is over 21 years old?

 

[fufkin]

I am not sure the TS50 / TS5 is a good role model.

There was Mallaig, then Spain. 
Nice looking boats though.

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Yes that was tragic and if I recall correctly a very experienced crew. (Was the guy who charters a TS42 and others out of St Lucia on board?)

Is it time to cue up the ‘lead mines can sink when inverted but cats will stay afloat’ yet? Or should we stick to the ‘I won’t sail my house and home above 11 knots’ discussion.

Im good with leaving it at ‘offshore sailing is not without risk’...

 

[chester]

A wayward multi-hullers report from the nether regions of in-between cruising on a potential circumnavigation.

I'm born and  raised 40 year on mono-hulls, mostly cruising but a tiny bit of racing. Then - on a lark - I bought a Kurt Hughes H26/28 and had the best time of my sailing/cruising life. I doubt I'll ever go back. The need for more space (or as my girlfriend of the time put it... a 'legal' place to  shit)... well ; that 'need' grew us into a Farrier F36/39. 

I'm married now and over 60 years aged and we carry touring bicycles and allot of crap that slows this old girl down. Even so.... sailing conservatively... with a somewhat aged crew of just the two of us.... we have turned in over 300 mile days. This boat sails like it's on rails at 13 knots down wind in the pitch dark night, we don't have a care or worry about a broach. She is that well behaved. and the last time I was downwind in a 50 foot mono (Caulkins 50,in the Straight of Juan De Fuca) I would say that we were 'on edge' and I would never do that cruising at night solo.

We are a between-er in that we carry allot of gear to the point that I'd call us a mid-weight multi. But we still eat up the miles in amazing comfort like very few monos I have seen out here (including the ilk of RM and such) 

and to think this hull is over 21 years old?

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well that all looks pretty fucking great!!! Rock on...

 

[estarzinger]

us into a Farrier F36/39. 

That is super awesome.  Really great.  Wish you the continued best.

I tried to get us into a Tri (an Irens) after Hawk but my wife did not take to the motion (and I will admit we also had 'parent issues' which distracted me from really pushing it).

 

[The great unwashed]

Somebody’s gonna get hurt by all the goalpost pushing here.  The original quote that started this shit show was the (i would have thought obvious) point that monster 100’ monohull racers are routinely trounced by much smaller multihulls.  This is what is called “a fact.”  Now apparently the issue is how many tons of tea the boat carries.  Next, I suppose we’ll have to debate if a ship carrying Harrier jets is really an “aircraft carrier.”

 

[Ishmael]

Somebody’s gonna get hurt by all the goalpost pushing here.  The original quote that started this shit show was the (i would have thought obvious) point that monster 100’ monohull racers are routinely trounced by much smaller multihulls.  This is what is called “a fact.”  Now apparently the issue is how many tons of tea the boat carries.  Next, I suppose we’ll have to debate if a ship carrying Harrier jets is really an “aircraft carrier.”

If you were to specify a ship carrying F35's you might have some argument.

 

[The great unwashed]

We had an Australian carrier built for jump jets in town for joint exercises a couple of years back and people practically came to blows over whether or not it was an aircraft carrier.

 

[2flit]

Being able to leave it on a mooring mitigates the storage issue. There is still the maintenance issue. In my area, there is really only one boatyard that can/will haul a multihull for bottom paint or whatever. Another issue is transport. Most of the boats I have owned have been moved overland at one time or another. This is pretty much impossible with (at least larger) multihulls. They can be moved by ship, but the charge is by area occupied, so very expensive. 

Curious... Where are you located?

And speaking of road haulage, here's a picture (or two) that demonstrates your point, and then not. The Tri is 40' x 26.5'

(LOA is 47')



Same boat demounted.....

 

[2flit]

I'd say crew matters as much as the boat. That variable isn't captured very well by ARC results. Mom and pop relaxed sailors versus mom and pop + 2 friends who can keep the boat moving a lot faster.

Our 40' cat did Mexico to Nuka Hiva in 19 days. Our friends in a Wauquiez Pretorian 35 took 20 days. We loafed along and sailed very slowly the last 300 miles with 1 rudder missing. The skipper on the Pretorian was an experienced big boat bowman. He was peeling spinnakers and pushing the boat very hard. He was only 5% slower than us.

On another much shorter hop of 500 miles (Ua Pou - Makemo in the Tuamotos) we did it in 2.5 days. We were pushing hard to get in just before dark and anchored. They were pushing equally hard but for them it was closer to 3.25 days. ~25% faster sounds about right to me - in those conditions, with equally motivated crews.

I am sure a really well sailed HR44 could outsail the Catana if the Catana owners were not flying a chute at night, not flying a chute at all, reefing early, reefing "because night is falling" - that's a thing among some sailors. etc etc.

I totally agree that the condo cats do not sail much faster than a mono of similar size. Faster, lighter cats really do sail considerably faster. We were about 5-10% faster than a FP Bahia 46 for example, and about 20-25% faster than a Lagoon 42, and so much faster than a Lagoon 380 (sailing side by side day sailing and on passages)

That is our story also....

Sailing VERY conservatively and not using anything other than working sails (Main and roller Blade)... we were 18 days San Diego to Nuka Hiva. In the following month dozens and dozens of boats arrived in our same departure weather window with a normal passage time of 28 days and only a very-very few monos under 20 days with the winds we had. This is a huge difference.

Our overweight Cruising Trimaran sails level and smooth at 12-13 knots and a wine glass will stay put on the cockpit  combing in 1- 1.5 meter seas. It is a revelation from being on a mono sailing on (what  is comparatively) .. sailing on ones ear at 12kn.  

And we are NOT a fast multi. Just take Keith Burrage's "Skateaway" trimaran who will do a horizon line job on us in 45 minutes... This is a real fast and  nimble trimaran for a young cruising couple with the spirit of backpackers.... or any of the Granger Tri's. 

 

[DDW]

Curious... Where are you located?

And speaking of road haulage, here's a picture (or two) that demonstrates your point, and then not. The Tri is 40' x 26.5'

(LOA is 47')

I am in the US, my boat has been east coast, west coast, US and Canada on both coasts. Hull built on west coast, transported to east coast to fit out, transported back to west coast after exhausting east coast (by truck both times). 

Yes, I have been greatly intrigued by the Farrier 39 and considered one for awhile. And my multihull friends tell me I'd be much happier with a tri vs. a cat because it sails like a boat, not a barge and might actually go upwind. Certainly I've seen the smaller Farriers do that. The folding amas might make it possible to find a slip and get hauled too. The downside is that like most tris, the accommodations are about the same as a <30' monohull. 

 

[DDW]

Our 40' cat did Mexico to Nuka Hiva in 19 days. Our friends in a Wauquiez Pretorian 35 took 20 days. We loafed along and sailed very slowly the last 300 miles with 1 rudder missing. The skipper on the Pretorian was an experienced big boat bowman. He was peeling spinnakers and pushing the boat very hard. He was only 5% slower than us.

On another much shorter hop of 500 miles (Ua Pou - Makemo in the Tuamotos) we did it in 2.5 days. We were pushing hard to get in just before dark and anchored. They were pushing equally hard but for them it was closer to 3.25 days. ~25% faster sounds about right to me - in those conditions, with equally motivated crews.

I guessing your cat had a waterline of 38'. A Pretorian 35 has a waterline of 30'. You should be 13% faster just on size alone. So, he was 7% faster (corrected) on the 19 day trip. Correcting your shorter trip for waterline length, 3.25 days becomes 2.88, or the cat 15% faster. Just making sure we are comparing the fruit correctly. 

 

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This Lerouge 147 45' cat looks pretty ideal to my eye for fast active sailing for a cruising family, if you could keep it light.  

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2013-lerouge-137-7851766/

$585k, and in Phuket - I suspect it'd be asking $800k on the W Coast.  Appealing to me versus something like a Deerfoot, though the latter is probably less $$ once ready to cruise.  

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1990-deerfoot-63-7950885/

All just too expensive at least for my budget.  If I were able to convince the fam I'd probably go for something like this instead: 

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1984-custom-compass-47-cutter-by-kearley-marine-8185998/

There's not really a comparable catamaran option available at that price point.  

Nice boat, but "This is arguably the best and certainly the fastest blue ocean sailing catamaran in the world right now."  - really!?

 

[socalrider]

Nice boat, but "This is arguably the best and certainly the fastest blue ocean sailing catamaran in the world right now."  - really!?

Well he did say "arguably".  I would certainly argue with him about it as well.  

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2009-gunboat-performance-cruising-catamaran-8166254/

 

[kinardly]

Fleming 55 for coastal cruising, Corsair for blasting around the home waters-controversy resolved. So many toys, so little $$$$. 

 

[Panoramix]

Well he did say "arguably".  I would certainly argue with him about it as well.  

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2009-gunboat-performance-cruising-catamaran-8166254/

I would certainly argue with him as well, but my gut instinct is that this gunboat looks a bit luxurious to be the fastest cruising cat!

 

[Upp3]

Well he did say "arguably".  I would certainly argue with him about it as well.  

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2009-gunboat-performance-cruising-catamaran-8166254/

Seems expensive. Save a bunch, add just one more hull: https://www.denisonyachtsales.com/yachts-for-sale/63-Marsaudon-Composites-Trimaran-2010-Umag/7901826

Even comes with youtube channel! Kickstart your your youtube career, bring your own bikini.

 

[estarzinger]

anyone have any inside news on what's up with Rapido?

how is their build quality? And are they selling a lot of only a few boats? production/delivery on schedule, or ..not?

covid must not be doing them any favors.