iNavX vs. Navionics for coastal over-night racing and cruising

[BobJ]

All good now BJ - thanks for the help.

I didn't change the settings one at a time so I can't be sure, but I think the "Link" button in iNavX wasn't staying on because the host address wasn't the same as what the XB-8000 was using.  For example, you're using 192.168.10.225 in iNavX but the XB-8000 was on 192.168.15.1.

It is much clearer seeing the AIS targets on the iNavX chart vs. switching back and forth between iNavX and Vesper's WatchMate screen.

I was an early user of GPSNavX, running it on a MacBook to race the Singlehanded TransPac in 2006.  Then I got MacENC and later, iNavX.  Good stuff Rich!

 

[Misbehavin']

I use iNavX with Navionics charts for similar sailing. Coastal distance day racing, some overnight coastal racing. iNavX is pretty cheap as these things go. The Navionics charts costs more than the app I think and they are a must for iNavX in my opinion.

I don't have experience with weather routing in iNavX. We have used Squid and PredictWind beside iNavX, running on a laptop.

I'm going with iNavX when my current Navionics license runs out.

I'm curious about Squid vs. PW. Which do you prefer, and why?

 

[iNavX]

All good now BJ - thanks for the help.

I didn't change the settings one at a time so I can't be sure, but I think the "Link" button in iNavX wasn't staying on because the host address wasn't the same as what the XB-8000 was using.  For example, you're using 192.168.10.225 in iNavX but the XB-8000 was on 192.168.15.1.

It is much clearer seeing the AIS targets on the iNavX chart vs. switching back and forth between iNavX and Vesper's WatchMate screen.

I was an early user of GPSNavX, running it on a MacBook to race the Singlehanded TransPac in 2006.  Then I got MacENC and later, iNavX.  Good stuff Rich!

Yeah, I changed my XB-8000 to connect it to an established network as just another device. That 192.168.15.1 address for yours tells me it's set up as the default access point.

Glad it's working.

 

[us7070]

i forget...

is there a way to have a raster chart displayed north up in inavx , if the actual chart is not north up?

many noaa charts are not north up

 

[iNavX]

i forget...

is there a way to have a raster chart displayed north up in inavx , if the actual chart is not north up?

many noaa charts are not north up

Good question. Do you have an example chart area I can take a look at?

 

[Alex W]

I used Navionics for years, but got annoyed when it went to a subscription model and more annoyed when it couldn't make good use of the instrumentation available on my boat network.  I do think Navionics has a nice clean UI that is fairly easy to use, even for advanced features.

I switched to iNavX, but Navionics charts cost even more there!  Raster charts didn't automatically tile.  If they did I probably would have kept iNavX.

I ended up with SeaIQ USA.  It is really cheap ($5), has the iNavX features that I liked, does automatic tiling for US charts, and handles NMEA data very nicely.  

I'd buy any of these again if they copied the deepzoom.com tide/current views, including the multi-day time slider.  Those are so intuitive and easy to use and I've never seen a good plotter copy of them.  I use deepzoom a lot when doing route planning.

 

[us7070]

Good question. Do you have an example chart area I can take a look at?

NOAA Chart 12364, for example

in inavx, i can view heading/waypoint up.., or chart up

what i want is true north up

 

[iNavX]

NOAA Chart 12364, for example

in inavx, i can view heading/waypoint up.., or chart up

what i want is true north up

I'll take a look at it.

 

[Houston]

I've been seeing iPads on top racing boats from Hugo Boss to Figaro 3's. I didn't see any laptops or or Windows tablets on Hugo so I don't think he's using remote desktop. Can anyone guess what apps he is using or is it something custom from Nokia? What about the Figaro's?

 

[kru]

I've been seeing iPads on top racing boats from Hugo Boss to Figaro 3's. I didn't see any laptops or or Windows tablets on Hugo so I don't think he's using remote desktop. Can anyone guess what apps he is using or is it something custom from Nokia? What about the Figaro's?

They could be using the RDC app for iPad or Slapshot.  We've used both with Expedition on a TP52.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/remote-desktop-mobile/id714464092

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/splashtop-personal/id382509315

 

[Jubblies]

Interesting discussion here....

I have tried Navionics and INavX. To be honest I lean toward using Navionics just because it's what I'm used to. I will note that I think my use case is different depending on the type of sailing we are doing.

For cruising, transports, etc I only load up Navionics. For racing, I found both apps to be lacking the type of data I need. While racing I'm using Navionics for basic tracking and for depth references since a lot of our racing is around islands. Outside of that I do all our heavy lifting with IRegatta, alsthough I do frequently use the charting apps to set waypoints for a course and then export them into the racing apps.  If either app offered even some basic racing features it would be kind to my tablet's battery not having to go back and forth.

Things I find missing in both Navionics and INavX that would lock them in as a useful racing app...

1. In Navionics you cannot seem to build routes from stored waypoints. INavX?

2. No ability to add a waypoint on the fly into a route. For example setting a waypoint by heading and distance when a drop buoy is being used by race committee.

3. No layline / apparent wind info

4. No starting line features.

5. No performance trends boatspeed & header/lift trends.

6. Almost forgot this one...Next leg bearing!

 

[us7070]

I'll take a look at it.

did u ever get any feedback from inavx on this or the project waypoint request?

 

[iNavX]

I'll take a look at it.

did u ever get any feedback from inavx on this or the project waypoint request?

The waypoint request stuff has been added to the development queue, but there's no date or anything. So it's in there as a feature request but I can't tell you much more specific than that.

The other, I've not duplicated it yet to be able to describe it. That chart is in a few different pieces, and I looked at a few in the area but didn't see what you were talking about. I meant to ask you for a more specific location, but I see it now.

I've not discussed that yet, since I just duplicated it. I'll pass it on.

 

[us7070]

added to the development queue

sounds like they're not that interested...

Nick White regularly turns out new versions overnight for trivial requests like that one.

I realize dealing with the app store adds a bit of time, but you won't convince me the inavx guy gives a damn...

 

[Alaris]

@iNavX something I haven’t seen on any app is the ability to change size and location of data fields. Even on my 12.9” iPad Pro, I can’t read the data fields because they are too small. I’d also like to be able to move them to the side and display them vertically rather than across the top.

 

[iNavX]

sounds like they're not that interested...

Nick White regularly turns out new versions overnight for trivial requests like that one.

I realize dealing with the app store adds a bit of time, but you won't convince me the inavx guy gives a damn...

I'm not involved in the development side of things, so I can't really tell you what they have in the pipeline, where they are with new features, what features are frozen into releases, what the schedule is for them, etc.

My contact is the head of the company, and I pass things on to him and discuss these topics with him. I'm not talking to coders or anything like that.

In our discussion on this one, he told me he understood the feature, but it wasn't something that would get into the next planned release as they'd already had stuff queued up for it. I'd not be surprised to see it in a later release, but at this point it's beyond a horizon with a date they can commit to.

So when they are planning new feature sets beyond the currently planned one, this is on the list for consideration.

 

[iNavX]

@iNavX something I haven’t seen on any app is the ability to change size and location of data fields. Even on my 12.9” iPad Pro, I can’t read the data fields because they are too small. I’d also like to be able to move them to the side and display them vertically rather than across the top.

Putting the ribbon on the side would be nice.

That screenshot in post 52 above is from my 9.7" iPad Pro. Are the numbers proportionally the same in that than on yours, relatively speaking?

I'm wondering if there is some sort of scaling issue, as I have no problem reading them, even from a ways away. If they are a fixed pixel height, then if you have more pixels they will be smaller?

With glasses, of course...without readers up close I couldn't read it if it was a foot from my face.

 

[Alaris]

Putting the ribbon on the side would be nice.

That screenshot in post 52 above is from my 9.7" iPad Pro. Are the numbers proportionally the same in that than on yours, relatively speaking?

I'm wondering if there is some sort of scaling issue, as I have no problem reading them, even from a ways away. If they are a fixed pixel height, then if you have more pixels they will be smaller?

With glasses, of course...without readers up close I couldn't read it if it was a foot from my face.

I think you may be on to something. I’ll try to remember to take a photo when I’m out next. 

Other ribbon wish list items: reorganize the fields in any order, and in keeping with the above maybe just a scaling option. If I want to have my only fields be BTW and DTW and want them to be an inch tall, it would be awesome to make the fields almost like a widget to do this. Finally stop the wind instruments from saying 070° Port and 070° Starboard because when the wind is shifty or you’re motoring and it is all over the place, that shift between port/starboard changes the width of the fields and thus moves all subsequent fields constantly. P/S seems an elegant solution (could even put an option in the menu for those who prefer it written out).

 

[Alaris]

As you can see the fields are quite small on the big iPad Pro.

 

[iNavX]

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As you can see the fields are quite small on the big iPad Pro.

They look pretty similar to mine, which would look small on that one. Especially if it was further from your face.

Can you upload a screenshot here?  Simultaneously push the home button and top (power) button to get the screenshot.

With a shot from yours I can more accurately compare it to my 9.7" iPad.