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I can't read the article but he's certainly motivated and has significant resources to mount a serious challenge. And he has assembled a stable of highly talented sports people across multiple disciplines beyond sailing. That will make the approach taken interesting and probably different from previous challengers.
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Sir Jim Ratcliffe on continuing America's Cup quest and chance of a 'magical' one-off UK match


Exclusive: The Auld Mug evaded Ineos Team UK this year, but the British billionaire is committed to 'bringing it home' with Ben Ainslie


By Tom Cary, Senior Sports Correspondent 24 March 2021 • 7:41am



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It appears that sirs Jim Ratcliffe and Ben Ainslie will team up again in the hope of claiming the America's Cup Credit: Lloyd Images /Getty Images Europe 







 
In the end that famous ‘£110 million gin and tonic’, the drink over which Sir Jim Ratcliffe looked into Sir Ben Ainslie’s eyes and agreed to back to his America's Cup team, did not yield the Auld Mug. But nor, apparently, did it leave a bitter aftertaste. “It’s been a thoroughly enjoyable experience,” says Ratcliffe, reflecting on three months in New Zealand watching Ainslie’s team trying but failing to become the first British winners of sport’s oldest international trophy. “We’ve had a great time.”

So great, in fact, the journey is continuing. Ratcliffe, the founder and co-owner of petrochemicals giant Ineos and Britain’s richest man with a personal wealth estimated at some £17 billion, has now agreed to underwrite Ainslie’s next America’s Cup campaign, too. More than that, Ratcliffe and his advisors have been influential in helping to secure ‘Challenger of Record’ status for Ineos Team UK, a status that bestows certain privileges upon the challenging yacht club and should in theory help Britain’s chances of ending 170 years of hurt.


 
Ineos and Cup holders Team New Zealand, who accepted the British challenge after wrapping up a 7-3 victory over previous challenger of record (CoR) Luna Rossa in the 36th match last week, have already made a few announcements regarding their intentions for the next Cup. These include continuing with the current 75-foot foiling monohulls for at least two more cycles as well as various cost-cutting measures designed to attract new blood (Ratcliffe says he would "hope to knock a third off" what he's spending).

But what has really got everyone talking in America’s Cup land, and what I want to discuss with Ratcliffe, are the rumours of a special, one-off match between New Zealand and Britain in the Isle of Wight next year. 


Is the America’s Cup coming home? Ratcliffe says he is unsure. “I’d love to see it happen,” he admits, speaking from his temporary offices in Auckland to which he has relocated with some 30 Ineos staff and their partners. “I think it would be quite magical to have it in the UK after all this time, particularly after Covid. It would be a big thing for the UK, I think. But ultimately it’s up to the Kiwis.”

The idea, if it is signed off, would see the defenders and the CoR face off in a special series at the midway point between now and the next ‘full’ America’s Cup in 2024, which will almost certainly be back in Auckland. It would likely be controversial, excluding as it does any other challengers. While there are many in New Zealand would prefer not to see the Cup risked in a series abroad. But Ratcliffe is hopeful the idea will gain traction, insisting it would be in everyone’s interests.

“The fact is,” he says, “New Zealand are a commercially-funded team. Grant Dalton, their boss, does not have an Ineos behind him. This event, if it happens, would be a platform, which might help them raise funding to keep that team together.”

Ratcliffe says he would not fund the event himself. “Absolutely not,” he says. “I want to be clear about that. Because that would be sort of like buying the Cup into the UK and I don't think that's appropriate.”






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Team Ineos UK lost out to Italian Luna Rossa in the Prada Cup  Credit: Getty Images AsiaPac /Phil Walter 




As defenders and event organisers, though, Dalton would be able to negotiate with commercial partners and local government, charge a hosting fee, deal with broadcasters and so on. Ratcliffe even suggests the UK Government might be keen to support a prestigious global sporting event in that neck of the woods. “There have been many instances where governments have put some money down to attract the Cup to the country because it's good for regeneration,” he says. “I mean, the Isle of Wight and that part of the south coast is not in a great state, so it would bring a bit of a rejuvenation to that area. Why not? 

“I honestly think it would be a great success. You have to remember, due to Covid last year, which forced the cancellation of two planned events [in Cagliari and Portsmouth] nobody in the northern hemisphere has yet seen these boats in action live. They are absolutely incredible, believe me. I think people would be blown away, sailors and non-sailors alike.

“I think if there was effectively a duel between ourselves and the world’s dominant sailing force… I mean, the Kiwis are to sailing  what the All Blacks are to rugby really… to take on the best in the world, on our home waters, 171 years after the America’s Cup was first raced there, would be quite something.” 


Ratcliffe admits they might get “a bit of flak” from other syndicates. But he points out that no one else would really be ready to contest another Cup so soon anyway. And as far as the 2024 event is concerned, nothing would change with Ineos happy to return to Auckland – if that was what New Zealand wanted – regardless of whether they won or lost in Cowes. The idea is more that it would be "a bridge" to the next Cup.

“I mean, it’s a bit quirky,” he admits. “But the Cup has always been a bit quirky. It wouldn’t be the first time there had been a duel. The first 100 years were typically duels. And we do genuinely want to level the playing field up, to reduce costs, to make it fairer on other entrants. Nothing would change as far as that's concerned. I’m on record as saying I’d be keen to look at an independent governing body, to make it as fair as possible, although I accept I’m new to this and others with far more history in the Cup enjoy its quirkiness and history.”

Ratcliffe says a decision will need to be made soon, with not much time for Ineos build a new race boat if the 2022 event does happen  ("I don't know whether the Kiwis would build a new boat, because they had a pretty good package this time," he muses. "The best hull, the best foils, the best rig. But we didn’t so we’d need to. We need to take quite a giant step forward.") But either way, he admits he has been smitten – by the Cup, by New Zealand, and by its inhabitants. 

Ratcliffe has spent much of the last three months aboard his superyacht Sherpa, working and touring the country. They managed a complete circumnavigation of the South Island at one point and Ratcliffe was left distinctly impressed. He tells a story about a dinner in a pub on Stewart Island when everyone came up and chatted during the evening. One group of campers even offered to swap their tents for Ratcliffe's yacht for the night. “It was bloody wet and raining," Ratcliffe recalls. "They said 'Look you're obviously getting fed up on that boat...' I’ve been pretty universally impressed by everything I’ve seen here; unfailingly cheerful, chatty, welcoming. But also, they don't have a chip on their shoulder about anything as far as I can see. There's no sense of envy here. I don't get any **** here because I’ve got a boat.”



 

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A paywall?  Here you go:


Sir Jim Ratcliffe on continuing America's Cup quest and chance of a 'magical' one-off UK match


Exclusive: The Auld Mug evaded Ineos Team UK this year, but the British billionaire is committed to 'bringing it home' with Ben Ainslie


By Tom Cary, Senior Sports Correspondent 24 March 2021 • 7:41am




It appears that sirs Jim Ratcliffe and Ben Ainslie will team up again in the hope of claiming the America's Cup Credit: Lloyd Images /Getty Images Europe 





 
In the end that famous ‘£110 million gin and tonic’, the drink over which Sir Jim Ratcliffe looked into Sir Ben Ainslie’s eyes and agreed to back to his America's Cup team, did not yield the Auld Mug. But nor, apparently, did it leave a bitter aftertaste. “It’s been a thoroughly enjoyable experience,” says Ratcliffe, reflecting on three months in New Zealand watching Ainslie’s team trying but failing to become the first British winners of sport’s oldest international trophy. “We’ve had a great time.”

So great, in fact, the journey is continuing. Ratcliffe, the founder and co-owner of petrochemicals giant Ineos and Britain’s richest man with a personal wealth estimated at some £17 billion, has now agreed to underwrite Ainslie’s next America’s Cup campaign, too. More than that, Ratcliffe and his advisors have been influential in helping to secure ‘Challenger of Record’ status for Ineos Team UK, a status that bestows certain privileges upon the challenging yacht club and should in theory help Britain’s chances of ending 170 years of hurt.


 
Ineos and Cup holders Team New Zealand, who accepted the British challenge after wrapping up a 7-3 victory over previous challenger of record (CoR) Luna Rossa in the 36th match last week, have already made a few announcements regarding their intentions for the next Cup. These include continuing with the current 75-foot foiling monohulls for at least two more cycles as well as various cost-cutting measures designed to attract new blood (Ratcliffe says he would "hope to knock a third off" what he's spending).

But what has really got everyone talking in America’s Cup land, and what I want to discuss with Ratcliffe, are the rumours of a special, one-off match between New Zealand and Britain in the Isle of Wight next year. 


Is the America’s Cup coming home? Ratcliffe says he is unsure. “I’d love to see it happen,” he admits, speaking from his temporary offices in Auckland to which he has relocated with some 30 Ineos staff and their partners. “I think it would be quite magical to have it in the UK after all this time, particularly after Covid. It would be a big thing for the UK, I think. But ultimately it’s up to the Kiwis.”

The idea, if it is signed off, would see the defenders and the CoR face off in a special series at the midway point between now and the next ‘full’ America’s Cup in 2024, which will almost certainly be back in Auckland. It would likely be controversial, excluding as it does any other challengers. While there are many in New Zealand would prefer not to see the Cup risked in a series abroad. But Ratcliffe is hopeful the idea will gain traction, insisting it would be in everyone’s interests.

“The fact is,” he says, “New Zealand are a commercially-funded team. Grant Dalton, their boss, does not have an Ineos behind him. This event, if it happens, would be a platform, which might help them raise funding to keep that team together.”

Ratcliffe says he would not fund the event himself. “Absolutely not,” he says. “I want to be clear about that. Because that would be sort of like buying the Cup into the UK and I don't think that's appropriate.”







Team Ineos UK lost out to Italian Luna Rossa in the Prada Cup  Credit: Getty Images AsiaPac /Phil Walter 


As defenders and event organisers, though, Dalton would be able to negotiate with commercial partners and local government, charge a hosting fee, deal with broadcasters and so on. Ratcliffe even suggests the UK Government might be keen to support a prestigious global sporting event in that neck of the woods. “There have been many instances where governments have put some money down to attract the Cup to the country because it's good for regeneration,” he says. “I mean, the Isle of Wight and that part of the south coast is not in a great state, so it would bring a bit of a rejuvenation to that area. Why not? 

“I honestly think it would be a great success. You have to remember, due to Covid last year, which forced the cancellation of two planned events [in Cagliari and Portsmouth] nobody in the northern hemisphere has yet seen these boats in action live. They are absolutely incredible, believe me. I think people would be blown away, sailors and non-sailors alike.

“I think if there was effectively a duel between ourselves and the world’s dominant sailing force… I mean, the Kiwis are to sailing  what the All Blacks are to rugby really… to take on the best in the world, on our home waters, 171 years after the America’s Cup was first raced there, would be quite something.” 


Ratcliffe admits they might get “a bit of flak” from other syndicates. But he points out that no one else would really be ready to contest another Cup so soon anyway. And as far as the 2024 event is concerned, nothing would change with Ineos happy to return to Auckland – if that was what New Zealand wanted – regardless of whether they won or lost in Cowes. The idea is more that it would be "a bridge" to the next Cup.

“I mean, it’s a bit quirky,” he admits. “But the Cup has always been a bit quirky. It wouldn’t be the first time there had been a duel. The first 100 years were typically duels. And we do genuinely want to level the playing field up, to reduce costs, to make it fairer on other entrants. Nothing would change as far as that's concerned. I’m on record as saying I’d be keen to look at an independent governing body, to make it as fair as possible, although I accept I’m new to this and others with far more history in the Cup enjoy its quirkiness and history.”

Ratcliffe says a decision will need to be made soon, with not much time for Ineos build a new race boat if the 2022 event does happen  ("I don't know whether the Kiwis would build a new boat, because they had a pretty good package this time," he muses. "The best hull, the best foils, the best rig. But we didn’t so we’d need to. We need to take quite a giant step forward.") But either way, he admits he has been smitten – by the Cup, by New Zealand, and by its inhabitants. 

Ratcliffe has spent much of the last three months aboard his superyacht Sherpa, working and touring the country. They managed a complete circumnavigation of the South Island at one point and Ratcliffe was left distinctly impressed. He tells a story about a dinner in a pub on Stewart Island when everyone came up and chatted during the evening. One group of campers even offered to swap their tents for Ratcliffe's yacht for the night. “It was bloody wet and raining," Ratcliffe recalls. "They said 'Look you're obviously getting fed up on that boat...' I’ve been pretty universally impressed by everything I’ve seen here; unfailingly cheerful, chatty, welcoming. But also, they don't have a chip on their shoulder about anything as far as I can see. There's no sense of envy here. I don't get any **** here because I’ve got a boat.”
I can see why Sir James and GD might get on. I must admit, I'm starting to warm to the guy.

 

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But either way, he admits he has been smitten – by the Cup, by New Zealand, and by its inhabitants. 
‘Inhabitants” wtf you can take the colonialist out of Blighty but can’t take the inherent colonialism out of it’s natives.

 
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his temporary offices in Auckland to which he has relocated with some 30 Ineos staff and their partners." 

[SIZE=19.125px]Thats some serious shit. His head office is less than that.[/SIZE]

 

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his temporary offices in Auckland to which he has relocated with some 30 Ineos staff and their partners." 

[SIZE=19.125px]Thats some serious shit. His head office is less than that.[/SIZE]
Didn't Gabe Newell do the same and move a lot of his people to NZ? There must be something in the air that's attracting billionaires  :lol:

 

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If the full cup is 2024 and there is a one off match in 2022 between kiwis and poms how are LR damaged ?
It's more than one year of uncertainty without a proper challenge signed. And moreover, it's jumping a cycle. If the relationship between COR and defender fails it will be a mess for everybody. You have to imagine the same thing done to ETNZ. And this is a precedent that will set the path for more billionaires looking for the shortcut to the Cup. As the NYYC said, it's a huge step in the wrong direction.

 

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A paywall?  Here you go:


Sir Jim Ratcliffe on continuing America's Cup quest and chance of a 'magical' one-off UK match


Exclusive: The Auld Mug evaded Ineos Team UK this year, but the British billionaire is committed to 'bringing it home' with Ben Ainslie


By Tom Cary, Senior Sports Correspondent 24 March 2021 • 7:41am




It appears that sirs Jim Ratcliffe and Ben Ainslie will team up again in the hope of claiming the America's Cup Credit: Lloyd Images /Getty Images Europe 





 
In the end that famous ‘£110 million gin and tonic’, the drink over which Sir Jim Ratcliffe looked into Sir Ben Ainslie’s eyes and agreed to back to his America's Cup team, did not yield the Auld Mug. But nor, apparently, did it leave a bitter aftertaste. “It’s been a thoroughly enjoyable experience,” says Ratcliffe, reflecting on three months in New Zealand watching Ainslie’s team trying but failing to become the first British winners of sport’s oldest international trophy. “We’ve had a great time.”

So great, in fact, the journey is continuing. Ratcliffe, the founder and co-owner of petrochemicals giant Ineos and Britain’s richest man with a personal wealth estimated at some £17 billion, has now agreed to underwrite Ainslie’s next America’s Cup campaign, too. More than that, Ratcliffe and his advisors have been influential in helping to secure ‘Challenger of Record’ status for Ineos Team UK, a status that bestows certain privileges upon the challenging yacht club and should in theory help Britain’s chances of ending 170 years of hurt.


 
Ineos and Cup holders Team New Zealand, who accepted the British challenge after wrapping up a 7-3 victory over previous challenger of record (CoR) Luna Rossa in the 36th match last week, have already made a few announcements regarding their intentions for the next Cup. These include continuing with the current 75-foot foiling monohulls for at least two more cycles as well as various cost-cutting measures designed to attract new blood (Ratcliffe says he would "hope to knock a third off" what he's spending).

But what has really got everyone talking in America’s Cup land, and what I want to discuss with Ratcliffe, are the rumours of a special, one-off match between New Zealand and Britain in the Isle of Wight next year. 


Is the America’s Cup coming home? Ratcliffe says he is unsure. “I’d love to see it happen,” he admits, speaking from his temporary offices in Auckland to which he has relocated with some 30 Ineos staff and their partners. “I think it would be quite magical to have it in the UK after all this time, particularly after Covid. It would be a big thing for the UK, I think. But ultimately it’s up to the Kiwis.”

The idea, if it is signed off, would see the defenders and the CoR face off in a special series at the midway point between now and the next ‘full’ America’s Cup in 2024, which will almost certainly be back in Auckland. It would likely be controversial, excluding as it does any other challengers. While there are many in New Zealand would prefer not to see the Cup risked in a series abroad. But Ratcliffe is hopeful the idea will gain traction, insisting it would be in everyone’s interests.

“The fact is,” he says, “New Zealand are a commercially-funded team. Grant Dalton, their boss, does not have an Ineos behind him. This event, if it happens, would be a platform, which might help them raise funding to keep that team together.”

Ratcliffe says he would not fund the event himself. “Absolutely not,” he says. “I want to be clear about that. Because that would be sort of like buying the Cup into the UK and I don't think that's appropriate.”







Team Ineos UK lost out to Italian Luna Rossa in the Prada Cup  Credit: Getty Images AsiaPac /Phil Walter 


As defenders and event organisers, though, Dalton would be able to negotiate with commercial partners and local government, charge a hosting fee, deal with broadcasters and so on. Ratcliffe even suggests the UK Government might be keen to support a prestigious global sporting event in that neck of the woods. “There have been many instances where governments have put some money down to attract the Cup to the country because it's good for regeneration,” he says. “I mean, the Isle of Wight and that part of the south coast is not in a great state, so it would bring a bit of a rejuvenation to that area. Why not? 

“I honestly think it would be a great success. You have to remember, due to Covid last year, which forced the cancellation of two planned events [in Cagliari and Portsmouth] nobody in the northern hemisphere has yet seen these boats in action live. They are absolutely incredible, believe me. I think people would be blown away, sailors and non-sailors alike.

“I think if there was effectively a duel between ourselves and the world’s dominant sailing force… I mean, the Kiwis are to sailing  what the All Blacks are to rugby really… to take on the best in the world, on our home waters, 171 years after the America’s Cup was first raced there, would be quite something.” 


Ratcliffe admits they might get “a bit of flak” from other syndicates. But he points out that no one else would really be ready to contest another Cup so soon anyway. And as far as the 2024 event is concerned, nothing would change with Ineos happy to return to Auckland – if that was what New Zealand wanted – regardless of whether they won or lost in Cowes. The idea is more that it would be "a bridge" to the next Cup.

“I mean, it’s a bit quirky,” he admits. “But the Cup has always been a bit quirky. It wouldn’t be the first time there had been a duel. The first 100 years were typically duels. And we do genuinely want to level the playing field up, to reduce costs, to make it fairer on other entrants. Nothing would change as far as that's concerned. I’m on record as saying I’d be keen to look at an independent governing body, to make it as fair as possible, although I accept I’m new to this and others with far more history in the Cup enjoy its quirkiness and history.”

Ratcliffe says a decision will need to be made soon, with not much time for Ineos build a new race boat if the 2022 event does happen  ("I don't know whether the Kiwis would build a new boat, because they had a pretty good package this time," he muses. "The best hull, the best foils, the best rig. But we didn’t so we’d need to. We need to take quite a giant step forward.") But either way, he admits he has been smitten – by the Cup, by New Zealand, and by its inhabitants. 

Ratcliffe has spent much of the last three months aboard his superyacht Sherpa, working and touring the country. They managed a complete circumnavigation of the South Island at one point and Ratcliffe was left distinctly impressed. He tells a story about a dinner in a pub on Stewart Island when everyone came up and chatted during the evening. One group of campers even offered to swap their tents for Ratcliffe's yacht for the night. “It was bloody wet and raining," Ratcliffe recalls. "They said 'Look you're obviously getting fed up on that boat...' I’ve been pretty universally impressed by everything I’ve seen here; unfailingly cheerful, chatty, welcoming. But also, they don't have a chip on their shoulder about anything as far as I can see. There's no sense of envy here. I don't get any **** here because I’ve got a boat.”
For the first time, im starting to see the positives.

What they are suggesting is that there will be an Americas Cup in New Zealand in 2024.  So a 3 years gap until the next cup.

But as a bridge event , they might host a 1 vs 1 challenge in the Solent.

Pros:

1. It would be a lot more exciting a bridge event than the ACWS .  ASWS is never taken particularly seriously. This would be taken seriously.

2. Sounds like it could allow GD to keep ETNZ together and funded through to the next main event in 2024.

3. Potentially great for NZ in 2024 if an event in UK builds enthusiasm for AC tourism to NZ in 2024.

Cons:

1. Excluding other teams might be taken as a slight. 

2. The agreement between Ineos and ETNZ to return to Auk would have to be bullet proof and include a healthy layer of trust as well.   But Sir Jim is known as a "my word is my bond" personality

 

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First of all, INEOS was not only beaten, but they were destroyed by LR, and now they get a one off Cup Challenge? I can understand LR wanting and getting one, but INEOS? They deserve nothing because they’ve proved nothing.  Seems like Ratcliffe is willing to give a big F**k you to the Challengers by excluding them, to NZ for taking the Cup to the UK, then to the UK by defending it in NZ! You can’t make this shit up lol

 
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It's more than one year of uncertainty without a proper challenge signed. And moreover, it's jumping a cycle. If the relationship between COR and defender fails it will be a mess for everybody. You have to imagine the same thing done to ETNZ. And this is a precedent that will set the path for more billionaires looking for the shortcut to the Cup. As the NYYC said, it's a huge step in the wrong direction.
I was initially against it......but done right.....I could be persuaded.  Perhaps there is a 2025 1 vs 1 in Italy prior to a full 2026/27 event.

Yes LR would have to trust the word and signed agreement of Ineos that if he won, it would remain AC75 and would return to NZ.

I know, I know...more questions than answers.....but having been against this , I confess that a part of me would really enjoy this than another failing ACWS in New York harbor.

 

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I was initially against it......but done right.....I could be persuaded.  Perhaps there is a 2025 1 vs 1 in Italy prior to a full 2026/27 event.

Yes LR would have to trust the word and signed agreement of Ineos that if he won, it would remain AC75 and would return to NZ.

I know, I know...more questions than answers.....but having been against this , I confess that a part of me would really enjoy this than another failing ACWS in New York harbor.
Honestly, I don't want a 1 - 1 in Italy and hosting the Cup here in general  unless we are the rightful defender after winning it on the water.

 

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First of all, INEOS was not only beaten, but they were destroyed by LR, and now they get a one off Cup Challenge? I can understand LR wanting and getting one, but INEOS? They deserve nothing because they’ve proved nothing.  Seems like Ratcliffe is willing to give a big F**k you to the Challengers by having some sexcluding them, to NZ for taking the Cup to the UK, then to the UK by defending it in NZ! You can’t make this shit up lol
Ineos are very clear that the decision on the next location will be up to New Zealand.

The UK 1 vs 1 has been rumored in various places but here we have SJR outlining for the first time what that might entail......and its not as bad as I thought and even vaguely tempting.

I still think the more likely outcome is a multi challenge event....but I am no longer as against a bridge event it as I might have been

 

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Honestly, I don't want a 1 - 1 in Italy and hosting the Cup here in general  unless we are the rightful defender after winning it on the water.
Any interest in hosting a ACWS event?

The Isle of Wight has a bit of historical appeal that might partially  overcome hosting a cup you haven't won.

Listen.....Im not jumping up and down in favor of the bridging event...but I am more open to hearing about the idea than I was before.

 
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First of all, INEOS was not only beaten, but they were destroyed by LR, and now they get a one off Cup Challenge? I can understand LR wanting and getting one, but INEOS? They deserve nothing because they’ve proved nothing.  Seems like Ratcliffe is willing to give a big F**k you to the Challengers by excluding them, to NZ for taking the Cup to the UK, then to the UK by defending it in NZ! You can’t make this shit up lol
Pretty much the opposite of meritocracy isn't it?

Based on this, they should be giving serious consideration to accepting a 1 vs 1 from Stars & Stripes.

Hey, they don't have a boat but why let performance in the cup affect anything, right? LOL!

 


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