INEOS Team GB

[Sailbydate]

Think they have done more sailing off autopilot than the kiwis have done in total.

Recent, SailGP results might conflict with that theory, Riddle. Just sayin.

 

[enigmatically2]

Recent, SailGP results might conflict with that theory, Riddle. Just sayin.

Doesn't imply anything about how much they have been sailing the AC40s off AP. The sailgp boats ride height control is pretty different anyway

 

[Sailbydate]

Doesn't imply anything about how much they have been sailing the AC40s off AP. The sailgp boats ride height control is pretty different anyway

What was your point again? I must have missed it.

 

[JALhazmat]

Note to self.. Must not make jokes about Kiwi team NZ, no matter how lighthearted or inoffensive, they might be.

 

[enigmatically2]

What was your point again? I must have missed it.

That comments that Ineos were late were misguided, especially given that we don't know what they want to learn from their test boat.
To expand, the first thing that needs to be matured in the design is the hull shape. This LEQ seems to pop out fairly easily, and doesn't seem badly effected by minor touches - quite the opposite. According to Sail world they spent a long time in their most recent sail just testing take-off. So they have probably already got a lot of data. Whereas NZ, Alinghi, AM and France have not captured such new data because they don't have a test boat, only last gen 75s with exactly the same underside as last time or a OD AC40.

Beyond that, whilst they were relatively late starting sailing, ETNZ have done very little sailing apart from on a vanilla AC40 with AP on. So if Ineos are late, so would ETNZ be. Only after this sojourn in the shed will we see a first iteration of ETNZ LEQ12 rather than vanilla AC40 with any modifications they want to test (a couple of tests on new foils apart). Yes they were set back a bit by the crash, but I think both know will gather data more quickly

FWIW I am not saying ETNZ are late, I don't think either are especially late.
Like I have said before, pure sailing hours count for little, it is the quality of those hours against what you are testing that is important

 

[enigmatically2]

Thoughts on this "batten" sticking out of the back of the mainsail near the clew that the interviewer in that video asked about. I can't see why you would want a batten sticking out that far. I could just about see why it would stick out to connect in some way to mainsheet, but not that far.

Any ideas?

 

[Dogfish]

Just temporary lash up not worth cutting a batten down to size for to see if it works.

 

[barfy]

Think they have done more sailing off autopilot than the kiwis have done in total.

I don't think there is public data that supports that statement.

 

[dogwatch]

A charity set up by the UK’s richest person, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, is being investigated by the Charity Commission after helping fund a £16m luxury clubhouse for an exclusive French Alps club where he and his daughter have skied for years.

The Guardian can reveal that the charities watchdog has opened a “regulatory compliance case” to investigate “concerns about the governance and management of the Jim Ratcliffe Foundation”.

More.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...lionaire-jim-ratcliffe-over-16m-ski-clubhouse

 

[JALhazmat]

Maybe the reporter didn’t look like an underprivileged local child wanting to learn to ski, hence being told to bugger off

 

[enigmatically2]

I don't think there is public data that supports that statement.

I'm going off (memory of)verbal statements from NZ team, and assumptions about GB team (didn't look they were on AP).

Does open the question as to whether LR or GB even bothered to put an AP on their LEQ12s

 

[dogwatch]

Courchevel is just heaving with underprivileged local children, the poor mites.

 

[Fiji Bitter]

Courchevel is just heaving with underprivileged local children, the poor mites.

Always gave Ratcliffe the benefits of the doubt, despite him being a brexiter in Monaco.
Not so much anymore, apparently just a common tax dodger, a Rat.

 

[barfy]

I'm going off (memory of)verbal statements from NZ team, and assumptions about GB team (didn't look they were on AP).

Does open the question as to whether LR or GB even bothered to put an AP on their LEQ12s

Maybe a good question for interviews of lr and gb.

 

[enigmatically2]

Ineos declared they want to buy Man Utd. With a value of £4bn-£5bn+ it makes AC funding look like petty cash

 

[enigmatically2]

Maybe a good question for interviews of lr and gb.

Any chance @Mozzy Sails ?

 

[Stingray~]

I'm going off (memory of)verbal statements from NZ team, and assumptions about GB team (didn't look they were on AP).

Does open the question as to whether LR or GB even bothered to put an AP on their LEQ12s

'Auto' systems surely vary. Off my memory from one of the LR interviews they do have some form of it.

edit: Watched a video today about the APAS system used in some DJI drones, it stands for something like Automated Pilot Avoidance System and you can set it to break, or to fly over or to fly around obstacles. Maybe SailGP needs to implement one of those

 

[enigmatically2]

'Auto' systems surely vary. Off my memory from one of the LR interviews they do have some form of it.

Perhaps, it appears to me that GBR have not been using it (whether they have any I don't know), whereas NZ (reportedly) were using it until a few days before the crash, and since then have done less sailing than GBR, hence my original assertion

 

[Stingray~]

Perhaps, it appears to me that GBR have not been using it (whether they have any I don't know), whereas NZ (reportedly) were using it until a few days before the crash, and since then have done less sailing than GBR, hence my original assertion

Agree with your original assertion, yes.

It's possible that whatever AP system GBR was planning to deploy was designed to machine-learn learn from all the tow testing and instrumentation they had in their originally planned program.

 

[JALhazmat]

Ineos declared they want to buy Man Utd. With a value of £4bn-£5bn+ it makes AC funding look like petty cash

AC IS petty cash