INEOS Team GB
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dg_sailingfan
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@Forourselves
First of all I haven't sung praises on Dylan Fletcher. I just posted that he signed on with the British AC Challenger.
Second you have grabbed my words I said in 2021 completely out of context like you always trend to do.
Third what I did say back then is that Fletcher has yet to prove his worth. Other People have also won the Moth World Championship & an Olympic Gold Medal.
Fletchers last Campaign in high technical high performance foiling boats did go down the drain and down the tube in 2019 (SailGP Season 1).
Bottom Line: The Jury is still out on Dylan not to mention that INEOS now has technically 4 Helmsman (Ainslie, Giles Scott, Leigh McMillan and Dylan Fletcher).
First of all I haven't sung praises on Dylan Fletcher. I just posted that he signed on with the British AC Challenger.
Second you have grabbed my words I said in 2021 completely out of context like you always trend to do.
Third what I did say back then is that Fletcher has yet to prove his worth. Other People have also won the Moth World Championship & an Olympic Gold Medal.
Fletchers last Campaign in high technical high performance foiling boats did go down the drain and down the tube in 2019 (SailGP Season 1).
Bottom Line: The Jury is still out on Dylan not to mention that INEOS now has technically 4 Helmsman (Ainslie, Giles Scott, Leigh McMillan and Dylan Fletcher).
Mozzy Sails
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With ac75, leq12 and ac40... plus sail GP theirs space for a few helmsman.
I'd to that list Iain Jenson, he mixed it with Pete and Nathan in moths. Ben Cornish might not be top tier... but he's won the finn isaf World Cup (prob not far off junior and maloney in credentials).
Plus, bleddyn was top as a junior/youth. Arguably more talented than Dylan but less single minded about Olympic success.
I'd to that list Iain Jenson, he mixed it with Pete and Nathan in moths. Ben Cornish might not be top tier... but he's won the finn isaf World Cup (prob not far off junior and maloney in credentials).
Plus, bleddyn was top as a junior/youth. Arguably more talented than Dylan but less single minded about Olympic success.
ChairborneRanger
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INEOS continue their WWII-era design philosophy, following up the spitfire foil with the corsair foil.
ChairborneRanger
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REFITTED T6 ROLLS OUT
They promised a significant upgrade, and today they delivered. INEOS Britannia broke sunlight on their LEQ12 prototype ‘T6’ after six weeks in the shed with a radical new foil design that is sure to raise eyebrows across the design spectrum, and a wholly re-sculpted bustle profile.
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Nice, but for a program that what already so far behind everyone else then how long has it been between when they lost and relaunched T6? 7 weeks or somesuch?? I hope they made some kind of big leapfrog. Sailing their AC40 around for a bit looked like a complete waste of time, design-wise.REFITTED T6 ROLLS OUT
They promised a significant upgrade, and today they delivered. INEOS Britannia broke sunlight on their LEQ12 prototype ‘T6’ after six weeks in the shed with a radical new foil design that is sure to raise eyebrows across the design spectrum, and a wholly re-sculpted bustle profile.
Forourselves
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This is what you said, and i quote:
"BREAKING!
INEOS apparently trialing 2021 Olympic Champion in the 49er Class DYLAN FLETCHER-SCOTT.
There you have Bens Future Replacement as Helm
"Get rid of Ben, Get rid of Ben, Get rid of Ben.
I don't mind him doing Sponsorship Deals but his Days as a Helmsman are numbered.
I can't wait to see Dylan smash him assuming they will soon have two Boats"
You also said this "Who is going to pump in the money for an AC40 Series? Right, no one!"
These are your words.
So you DID in fact sing his praises and you DID infact say that no one would pay for an AC world series.
chesirecat
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Not mucking about then.REFITTED T6 ROLLS OUT
They promised a significant upgrade, and today they delivered. INEOS Britannia broke sunlight on their LEQ12 prototype ‘T6’ after six weeks in the shed with a radical new foil design that is sure to raise eyebrows across the design spectrum, and a wholly re-sculpted bustle profile.
Forourselves
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Very similar, albeit a little more extreme, to Luna Rossas first generation foils.
Mozzy Sails
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Seems also a good time to share this from 4:30 :
enigmatically2
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But of course the rules this time give a lot more scope- or at least make that clearer. The rule now explicitly says the flap can be different segments, each of which rotates around a single axis, but with no implication they have to be the same axis. And their are explicit rules on flexures.
I note that the new rule allows a rotation around any axis, as long it is a finite distance from the foil wing. The fact that they specify it cannot be infinite implies you can have a virtual axis with the rotation created for example by different rates of movement from 2 hydraulics
And the lighter winds expected this time make this sort of thing more likely to be worth it
I note that the new rule allows a rotation around any axis, as long it is a finite distance from the foil wing. The fact that they specify it cannot be infinite implies you can have a virtual axis with the rotation created for example by different rates of movement from 2 hydraulics
And the lighter winds expected this time make this sort of thing more likely to be worth it
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JALhazmat
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What’s inside Rita flaps?
a lot less than there used to be, quick nip and tuck in Brackley and all beach ready for the spring in Mallorca.. sorry will stop being smutty
Mozzy Sails
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Interestingly, the W foils were a brackley creation. That's when merc came on board. With the fancy test rig etc.
What was contentious about the rules last time was that you had to have two flaps. So ineos, with 4 distinct flaps were claiming that the flexure connecting them was part of the flap... although the never raced with these, so we don't know the legality.
ETNZ were operating with essentially one flap, but claiming the bit connecting them was part of the flap actuation system... but then they backed down for the final set of wings and separated the flaps clearly.
I don't think the pivot point rule has really changed. It is a single point for each cross section of the foil / flap. There's no rule that if you joint all those points up they have to form a straight line. I don't think you can have virtual pivot points (except there is literal wiggle room in the rule for play).
Again, the AC recon article miss interprets the pivot points for fences. These are the same external hinge point that INEOS used for flap rotation in the AC36. The difference is they have external hinges for both inner segments and out segments. Last time they only had them for the inner segment, with the rotation point within the flap for the outer segment.
Of course LR also had their W foils. But I understand there didn't take the flap around the bend.
What was contentious about the rules last time was that you had to have two flaps. So ineos, with 4 distinct flaps were claiming that the flexure connecting them was part of the flap... although the never raced with these, so we don't know the legality.
ETNZ were operating with essentially one flap, but claiming the bit connecting them was part of the flap actuation system... but then they backed down for the final set of wings and separated the flaps clearly.
I don't think the pivot point rule has really changed. It is a single point for each cross section of the foil / flap. There's no rule that if you joint all those points up they have to form a straight line. I don't think you can have virtual pivot points (except there is literal wiggle room in the rule for play).
Again, the AC recon article miss interprets the pivot points for fences. These are the same external hinge point that INEOS used for flap rotation in the AC36. The difference is they have external hinges for both inner segments and out segments. Last time they only had them for the inner segment, with the rotation point within the flap for the outer segment.
Of course LR also had their W foils. But I understand there didn't take the flap around the bend.
Kiwing
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Jal have fun see you closer to time?
JALhazmat
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Not sure I understand?
Kiwing
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I thought you were off for a break from us INEOS beaters?
JALhazmat
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Ah that famous sense of humour getting its monthly outing again ;-)
my reply was in jest to Mozzys, video of “what is in Ritas flaps”
flaps is slang for vagina, seeing as these new foils are considerably slimmer and improved on the version that they tested in the previous cup I made a fairly obvious gag that they had a nip and tuck for a cosmetic procedure, given the time of year and location of testing in Majorca, again, a simple joke that they were now beach ready.
I mean it wasn’t that hard to follow, but I guess if you have to explain the joke it wasn’t funny or you talking to a kiwi ;-) Luv n hugs x
my reply was in jest to Mozzys, video of “what is in Ritas flaps”
flaps is slang for vagina, seeing as these new foils are considerably slimmer and improved on the version that they tested in the previous cup I made a fairly obvious gag that they had a nip and tuck for a cosmetic procedure, given the time of year and location of testing in Majorca, again, a simple joke that they were now beach ready.
I mean it wasn’t that hard to follow, but I guess if you have to explain the joke it wasn’t funny or you talking to a kiwi ;-) Luv n hugs x
enigmatically2
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Why the need for the 2nd clause in this if it cannot be virtual?
13.11 (c) "need not lie inside the cross‐section of the foil wing or foil flap, but must be at a finite distance from the foil."
If you can't have a virtual axis then that clause would be superfluous
And I can't see anything preventing a virtual axis (doesn't mean it is necessarily desirable of course).
The bigger change I was talking about though was the allowance of multiple flap segments, each with their own axis, and flexures across them and the foil wing
