INEOS Team GB

[enigmatically2]

DGidiotand 4Idiot are falling for the 2 opposite sides of the same fallacy coin. All winning streaks come to an end (even that of the USA in the AC). 4Idiot believes that because NZ have won 2 in a row, that team is infallible; DGidiot believe that despite a massive success in the past Mercedes are now useless because they have lost 2 in a row.

Neither are true.

NZ are beatable; Even in this year Mercedes are the 3rd best F1 team (so far). All sports competition is harsh because someone wins and someone loses. At the top of the tree usually by very small margins. That can be overturned in a flash

 

[Sailbydate]

 

[Forourselves]

DGidiotand 4Idiot are falling for the 2 opposite sides of the same fallacy coin. All winning streaks come to an end (even that of the USA in the AC). 4Idiot believes that because NZ have won 2 in a row, that team is infallible; DGidiot believe that despite a massive success in the past Mercedes are now useless because they have lost 2 in a row.

Neither are true.

NZ are beatable; Even in this year Mercedes are the 3rd best F1 team (so far). All sports competition is harsh because someone wins and someone loses. At the top of the tree usually by very small margins. That can be overturned in a flash

Ugh, what a stupid comment...
No team is infallible. But pulling dumb shit out of your arse based on nothing but the crap that the gap between your ears produces and trying to pass it off as "truth" or "being knowledgeable" when you've simply said nothing that is proven, nothing based in any sort of reality, like saying the LEQ12's aren't designed for fast sailing, then having to turn that comment into "Oh by that i meant racing against another boat" like anyone ever thought the LEQ12's were ever going to race each other.
America kept the cup for 136 years. Were they beatable? YES THEY WERE. Did they get beaten during that 136 years? NO.
NZ have won the last two cups and won them convincingly. Are they beatable? YES. Will they be beaten? Not likely. Even the most knowledgeable cup names believe Team NZ is believed to be a generation ahead of the others. If you believe INEOS or anyone will beat them, thats fine. Whats not fine is bringing up some baseless airy fairy, out of nowhere BS that you can't prove.

 

[enigmatically2]

Ugh, what a stupid comment...
No team is infallible. But pulling dumb shit out of your arse based on nothing but the crap that the gap between your ears produces and trying to pass it off as "truth" or "being knowledgeable" when you've simply said nothing that is proven, nothing based in any sort of reality,

Did you hear that long, drawn out moan? That was the dying breaths of any sense of irony you had.

The boards will show that I have hundreds of posts based on analysis of the rules and boats, whether in the "What will v2s look like" or "Recon Diary" threads or others. That is based on knowledge. No I am not always correct, like everyone else. But threads in which you are utterly absent in your contributions, with good reason.
All you have to contribute is "GD is a god and NZ are wonderful and I wet myself again thinking about them".

All our opinions as to who will win are just that, subjective opinions.

So prove me wrong, say something original and knowledgeable about rule query #49?
(Hint about the technical jargon you might not know, the mast is the tall thing that sticks up and holds the sails up)

 

[shebeen]

Ben was great in Finns and match racing boats. His performance in foiling boats has always been average, and at his age, is now below average. Fletcher is one of the best apparent wind sailors in the world. So the choice of helms is between someone like Spithill and someone like Burling. Which would you choose?

AC foiling boats = AC35/bermuda (AC50) and AC36/auckland (AC75) his results were crap, but so was the boat according to popular opinion.
SailGP GBR season performance = 4/6*; 4/8^ and now sitting 4/9^ but could 50/50 sneak(and then even win) the final with a good SF regatta.

^Ben Ainslie as helm
*Dylan Fletcher as helm
I don't think we have the data to say he is below average. If we take out the denmark regatta where they hit an unchartered rock then he's actually ahead of Burling in 2nd place.

Obviously all speculation, but if he's not good enough anymore will he have the humilitiy to reign in his ego and step back? I have the feeling that he wants to be the guy steering the boat to reclaim the cup and get double knighted or whatever. He'd rather lose than hand over the helm and see someone else take the glory that he has been ordained for.

 

[Mozzy Sails]

single axis per flap segment

That to me is a significant change from last time that we haven't seen manifest itself very much - possibly until now. Though NZ's curved foils could include multiple segments joined by flexures. That is not clear

It's not explicitly per flag segment. But rule 13.14 which limits the extent to which flap cross section shapes can deform. But that is in the absence of external forces. So you could have multiple hinge axis along segment which only work when the foil is deformed (thinking the bananna foil). But that would necessitate some deformation of the segment as it moved, and that deformation (other than the permitted 2mm) would have to come from external forces.

Segments do have to be linear components and that's a defined term as:

Going to be interesting how the measurement team determine whether the deformation permitted is exceeded under external forces because they'll never be able to see surely?

Throw in to that you have 450mm of 'segment end regions' where you can have overlapping segments and 50% of the chord length be flexure (material that does not rotate around the hinge axis, but deforms through the movement of flaps).

 

[enigmatically2]

You are right that it is not explicit that rotation is per flap segment, But given that segments are linear components, and also;
13.11 At any cross‐section parallel to WSP, the only permitted movement of a foil flap relative to a foil wing,
except for deformation restricted by Rule 13.14, is a rotation about a hinge axis that...

It is effectively the case I think (deformation of the flexures apart)

 

[Forourselves]

So prove me wrong, say something original and knowledgeable about rule query #49?
(Hint about the technical jargon you might not know, the mast is the tall thing that sticks up and holds the sails up)

Rule queries don't interest me, so as you say, I don't get involved. I leave that to the guys that actually know what they're talking about, ie those guys on the design teams. If you were as knowledgeable as you try to pass yourself off as being, you'd be sought after by at least one of the cup teams, but instead, here you are, in an online forum, pretending.
What interests me is team approach, and team strategy. History and how it pertains to the teams in todays AC.
So admittedly technical jargon isn't my strong point, nor does it interest me, so I don't get involved.
History and strategy obviously isn't your strong point, so maybe don't get involved.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

If you extrapolate from the slow Mercedes GP F1 Cars it is more likely than not that INEOS Britannia will have a slow Boat again next year since phony Ben bragged so much about their collaboration with Mercedes.
I wish the Brits would just stop chasing their irrational Cup Dreams.
Great Britain will never win the America's Cup. They haven't won it in 170+ Years and once Ainslie is retired their Cup Challenges will go up in a big black smoke cloud.

 

[JALhazmat]

Based on the above DG we can extrapolate that you might be a bit of a cunt.. 😘

 

[enigmatically2]

Rule queries don't interest me, so as you say, I don't get involved. I leave that to the guys that actually know what they're talking about, ie those guys on the design teams. If you were as knowledgeable as you try to pass yourself off as being, you'd be sought after by at least one of the cup teams, but instead, here you are, in an online forum, pretending.
What interests me is team approach, and team strategy. History and how it pertains to the teams in todays AC.
So admittedly technical jargon isn't my strong point, nor does it interest me, so I don't get involved.
History and strategy obviously isn't your strong point, so maybe don't get involved.

Yeah, best if you only get involved in technical questions if you understand what the controls are for, IE you can sail.
Best you stay out of what looks good and what test boats are for the same reason then.

And I'm afraid you've already shown yourself up on history when you claimed that NZ were the most successful in AC.

But I would love for you to share some of your wisdom on strategy. Please

 

[dg_sailingfan]

While I don't like Ernesto Bertarelli for what he did after 2007 selecting a fringe Yacht Club as Challenger of Record I'll give Alinghi Red Bull Racing heaps of credit keeping their collaboration between their Designers and the Red Bull Racing Honda F1 Team low key and not consistently bragging about like the Brits do in each and every article on their Website.

What Bleddyn Mon, Ben Ainslie and others doing is just massivly off-putting and it is actually one of the big reasons I cannot support them.

 

[david r]

After Sir B.A. got on the Oracle boat in SF Bay, they started winning and finally won. Coincidence?
It looked like GBR were winning quite a lot for a while in Sail GP until they wrecked the Japan boat. They seem to stay buried in the fleet more often lately though.
Should be a heavily fought trials for all the challengers when they start sailing the cup. The 40 stuff seems like a distraction to me, but i still watch it. Wing foiling in the surf at Cabo Verde is more cool to watch for me though.
Most interesting racing was the early fleet races in the AC 45 in SF Bay and the windy ones in Europe. The lead was changing hands on most every beat, and the heats much longer in that first AC 45 regatta in SF. 2 minute beats and 11 minute heats-not that interesting to me. Still watching them though.

 

[Jethrow]

consistently bragging about like the Brits do in each and every article on their Website

but @dg_sailingfan, you do more for promoting the Mercedes F1 team in AC than anyone else on the planet! Even though you're bagging them, 90% of your posts mention them so they're getting HUGE exposure from you!

 

[JALhazmat]

While I don't like Ernesto Bertarelli for what he did after 2007 selecting a fringe Yacht Club as Challenger of Record I'll give Alinghi Red Bull Racing heaps of credit keeping their collaboration between their Designers and the Red Bull Racing Honda F1 Team low key and not consistently bragging about like the Brits do in each and every article on their Website.

What Bleddyn Mon, Ben Ainslie and others doing is just massivly off-putting and it is actually one of the big reasons I cannot support them.

Low key like this?

 

[Sailbydate]

What Bleddyn Mon, Ben Ainslie and others doing is just massivly off-putting and it is actually one of the big reasons I cannot support them.

And yet you continue to carry their banner high, DG. What's the real story then?

 

[dg_sailingfan]

Low key like this?

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LOL,
That was in December 2021. Since then the ARBR AC Challenger hasn't said one peep about their collaboration with the Red Bull Racing Honda F1 Team. Try better next time!

 

[dg_sailingfan]

And yet you continue to carry their banner high, DG. What's the real story then?

Mate, you know what I mean:
Go to the Alinghi Red Bull Racing AC Website here

Alinghi Red Bull Racing

A new team is challenging for the next America’s Cup

alinghiredbullracing.americascup.com

Search their Articles and then tell me about if there is one peep about their collaboration with the Red Bull Honda F1 Team since the initial Announcement on December 14 2021. You won't find one while INEOS has blanketed their Articles like "Moving Parts" and "Bold Protocol" with Mercedes Stuff all over.

Bottom Line: If INEOS doesn't come up with a fast boat next year I have no doubts about Mercedes Applied Science Division will be blamed for and not by a small amount.

 

[JALhazmat]

LOL,
That was in December 2021. Since then the ARBR AC Challenger hasn't said one peep about their collaboration with the Red Bull Racing Honda F1 Team. Try better next time!

Apart from it being the actual team name..
better, hope that Adrian has better luck than last time he tried to design a boat

 

[Sailbydate]

Mate, you know what I mean:
Go to the Alinghi Red Bull Racing AC Website here

Alinghi Red Bull Racing

A new team is challenging for the next America’s Cup

alinghiredbullracing.americascup.com

Search their Articles and then tell me about if there one peep about their collaboration with the Red Bull Honda F1 Team since the initial Announcement on December 14 2021. You won't find one while INEOS has blanketed their Articles like "Moving Parts" and "Bold Protocol" with Mercedes Stuff all over.

Mate. I understand that bit. What I don't understand, is why you wave the SailGP EGB banner, but can't support the IB AC team?