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[Horn Rock]

Simmer's thoughts on Bermuda were interesting as well. They knew they were in trouble before ETNZ left NZ. They'd already identified that the Kiwis had a better control system. The lower windage of the bikes, and the more aggressive boards and rudders.

 

[JALhazmat]

Shirley has a new podcast up interviewing Grant Simmer. It's a good interview, with some interesting insights into all the campaigns he's been involved with. With regards to this cycle he hints they've been done some blind alleys - he might be referring to the interesting shape of Britannia. Says he happy with B2 and where they are now.

http://shirleyrobertson.com/podcast/ 

I think the blind alley refers to the hull shape, no bustle/skeg,  rather than the frontal treatment of the bow as that has been retained as has a reduced version of the high sides plus appendage underneath 

 

[Horn Rock]

I think the blind alley refers to the hull shape, no bustle/skeg,

I agree. He does say ETNZ/LR had quite a head start on the design due to formulating the rule, thus their boats being quite similar and different to the other two.

 

[JALhazmat]

It’s funny he said that as there are a few people that still deny that they had the rule later than ETNZ and Prada, ah well ;-) 

 

[Horn Rock]

There was some oblique references with B2 being described as "racier" than B1, and much different. Grant also said that he had to make some difficult changes - maybe referring to some of the disquiet rumored to have occurred within the team.

 

[JALhazmat]

I expect things like Jono getting let go.

@racingfast should be along soon to tell us all he is lying anyway. ;-)

 

[fish7yu]

America's Cup: British challenger promises 'radical, different' new boat for Auckland 2021 




America's Cup: British challenger promises 'radical, different' new boat for Auckland 2021

 

[Horn Rock]

^^^ Stuff turns Shirley's  podcast into a story a few hours after I post the link......funny......

 

[JJD]

“I don’t think it was right that Team New Zealand and Luna Rossa were writing the rule in isolation really,” Simmer told the Shirley Robertson podcast.

How many teams did Grant Simmer have in to help write the rule with Oracle? 

 

[barfy]

“I don’t think it was right that Team New Zealand and Luna Rossa were writing the rule in isolation really,” Simmer told the Shirley Robertson podcast.

How many teams did Grant Simmer have in to help write the rule with Oracle? 

And then change it.

 

[Horn Rock]

No mention of the cancelled event in Akl either.

 

[Stingray~]

“I don’t think it was right that Team New Zealand and Luna Rossa were writing the rule in isolation really,” Simmer told the Shirley Robertson podcast.

How many teams did Grant Simmer have in to help write the rule with Oracle? 

It is nuts, the way GD schemed the Rule Writing, in excluding the wider design community from not only contributory comments but even from informative progression updates too. Grant says that over time that advantage has dimished but, damn, the advantage taken is unprecedented. Not to mention how he then took the design also as a multimillion $ money making opportunity from ACE..
 

The DR should have been done in a far better way, exactly as Grant pointed out. 

 

[Horn Rock]

It is nuts, the way GD schemed the Rule Writing,

They wrote the rule for a completely new class of a very sophisticated boat, in like 6 months. If they'd added input from the wider design community, that time would have likely blown out - especially because of the radical nature of the new boat. It would have inspired all sorts of wrangling. GD did the right thing in pushing it through with just two teams. Sometimes you just have to get things done.

 

[Stingray~]

They wrote the rule for a completely new class of a very sophisticated boat, in like 6 months. If they'd added input from the wider design community, that time would have likely blown out - especially because of the radical nature of the new boat. It would have inspired all sorts of wrangling. GD did the right thing in pushing it through with just two teams. Sometimes you just have to get things done.

That argument could have been made during any Class change before, but was not.

It is a major, major factor for why ETNZ will very likely win this next Cup, I just wish they hadn’t resorted to it. Grant and others have pointed to it, it’s an obvious fairness problem as well as, apparently, a strategic (and deeply contested) money grab on top.

 

[trig42]

That argument could have been made during any Class change before, but was not.

It is a major, major factor for why ETNZ will very likely win this next Cup, I just wish they hadn’t resorted to it. Grant and others have pointed to it, it’s an obvious fairness problem as well as, apparently, a strategic (and deeply contested) money grab on top.

money

Surely that is the major advantage in winning the cup - making the rules?

Has been that way all the way through the history of the cup has it not?

 

[Horn Rock]

It is a major, major factor for why ETNZ will very likely win this next Cup,

LR is on the same footing. I wouldn't be dismissing their chances so quickly.  Simmer believes they've closed the gap. TH seems happy with his new boat.

 

[Stingray~]

Surely that is the major advantage in winning the cup - making the rules?

Has been that way all the way through the history of the cup has it not?

Choosing a new Class Rule is good but doing it all in secret is not. Listen to Grant S and to the SR Designers interviews before that. 

 

[Stingray~]

“I don’t think it was right that Team New Zealand and Luna Rossa were writing the rule in isolation really,” Simmer told the Shirley Robertson podcast.

“They had a head start on everyone and I think you can see that when you compare the boats.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/122708053/americas-cup-british-challenger-promises-radical-different-new-boat-for-auckland-2021

 

[Sailbydate]

“I don’t think it was right that Team New Zealand and Luna Rossa were writing the rule in isolation really,” Simmer told the Shirley Robertson podcast.

“They had a head start on everyone and I think you can see that when you compare the boats.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/122708053/americas-cup-british-challenger-promises-radical-different-new-boat-for-auckland-2021

Tough. Get over it. Better yet, try and win the bloody Cup and then design your own AC boat rule.

But stop the bitching already.

 

[Stingray~]

Tough. Get over it. Better yet, try and win the bloody Cup and then design your own AC boat rule.

But stop the bitching already.

There’s a legitimate argument being made by Grant S and others, that if you do ‘win the bloody Cup’ you don’t also get nasty about it. Creating a new Class in secret is unprecedented, the (apparent) money and design-lead motivations are for sure questionable and likely won’t go down well in AC History. Where is the promised transparency and ‘honor’?