INEOS TO DO List if they want to start winning

Clapham

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1) Pre-start, Ben needs to steer the boat and let Giles do tactics. Right now he’s doing both jobs. This is never going to work unless you are faster and more agile (Burling in Bermuda).

2) The aero set-up looks dreadful, when compared to Prada. All the grinders sticking up way too high. OK, they can’t drop them down, but surely a better fairing would help.

3) The bottom 1m of the main looks like a dog’s breakfast. Really ghastly. They won’t be able to switch to a boom free set-up but they must be able to improve this.

If they lose and want to try again there are some big questions for Ben and number 1 has to be his role. Sure he’s a GOAT but the world has moved on. He’s a very dominant character and needs to work out if he can be de-facto team boss and drive the boat. A quick chat with Coutts should convince him that he should pass on the baton, find a new driver and run the show.  

 


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JALhazmat

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1) Pre-start, Ben needs to steer the boat and let Giles do tactics. Right now he’s doing both jobs. This is never going to work unless you are faster and more agile (Burling in Bermuda).

2) The aero set-up looks dreadful, when compared to Prada. All the grinders sticking up way too high. OK, they can’t drop them down, but surely a better fairing would help.

3) The bottom 1m of the main looks like a dog’s breakfast. Really ghastly. They won’t be able to switch to a boom free set-up but they must be able to improve this.

If they lose and want to try again there are some big questions for Ben and number 1 has to be his role. Sure he’s a GOAT but the world has moved on. He’s a very dominant character and needs to work out if he can be de-facto team boss and drive the boat. A quick chat with Coutts should convince him that he should pass on the baton, find a new driver and run the show.  

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coupe of things..

INEOS had the same set up in the RR and beat Prada, aero doesn't suddenly get worse if let unchanged.

boats have been measured so you cant change anything even if you wanted to (chucking in aero fairings) new boom etc.

getting the starts right and no errors are the two biggest things that they do have control over and are 'easiest' to get right.

 

JALhazmat

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so how did Ineos beat Prada before with the unholy combination of main and grider non Aero 'issues'?

A. they didnt it was all a made up narrative

B they sailed better and didn't make any mistakes?

 
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Xlot

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so how did Ineos beat Prada before with the unholy combination of main and grider non Aero 'issues'?

A. they didnt it was all a made up narrative
Was listening to my daily QAnon podcast - it’s revolting what the fake SA media don’t want you to know, that the AC is actually run by a cabal of Alinghi fans operating from the basement of a Port Macquaire pizzeria - and the latest conspiracy was revealed: Max Sirena and @MaxHugen are actually the same person - blindingly obvious, same name and nobody has ever seen the two together! He/they have devised a diabolical get-rich-quick scheme, knowing that the anglo-saxon betting money would go to Rita, and then making sure LR’s performance in the RR would be pathetic to scare off any Italian bettor. As a result, he/they are the only ones having bet on LR and will rake in all the jackpot!

Only snag is @JALhazmat seems to have smelled a rat, he needs to be dealt with asap

 

D_Dog

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I don't think it is all doom and gloom for INEOS. If they had won the starts yesterday then they would have likely won two races. They were marginally faster in a straight line, offset by the 20-ish meters they would give away each tack. Light air is still a concern. 

The issue for them now, even if they improve their starts, maneuvers and tactics, is the weather. If they have another day with marginal wind conditions then they loose another 2 imo. At 4-0 there is not a lot of fat left...

 

JALhazmat

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C. Prada were not as good as they are now?
this is also true, but asking them to not be as good again is unlikely to be met with agreement.

the OP siting terrible aero as the reason for the recent loss overlooks that the terrible aero was there when INEOS were wining but sailing error free.

might it just be possible that errors are the deciding factor in these races when two boats are very close in terms of performance?

 

MaxHugen

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Was listening to my daily QAnon podcast - it’s revolting what the fake SA media don’t want you to know, that the AC is actually run by a cabal of Alinghi fans operating from the basement of a Port Macquaire pizzeria - and the latest conspiracy was revealed: Max Sirena and @MaxHugen are actually the same person - blindingly obvious, same name and nobody has ever seen the two together! He/they have devised a diabolical get-rich-quick scheme, knowing that the anglo-saxon betting money would go to Rita, and then making sure LR’s performance in the RR would be pathetic to scare off any Italian bettor. As a result, he/they are the only ones having bet on LR and will rake in all the jackpot!

Only snag is @JALhazmat seems to have smelled a rat, he needs to be dealt with asap
That is a totally unfounded conspiracy theory!

Next you'll be claiming that I was born in Zurich Switzerland, and Sir Ben will get 50% of my six beers?

 

Grrr...

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Prada have out-sailed Ineos at the starts by ignoring the other boat and worrying only about how they are going to hit the line on time with speed.

INEOS absolutely MUST move their thinking way from the the agressive stance - "force the other boat to make a mistake" - to the defensive stance - "make no mistakes, and stay away from the other boat".

Prada has shown zero interest in mixing it up, and INEOS has screwed themselves every time by TRYING to mix it up with the other boat.  These boats simply are not conducive to match racing.  Mistakes are too costly.

 
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marlowe

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this is also true, but asking them to not be as good again is unlikely to be met with agreement.

the OP siting terrible aero as the reason for the recent loss overlooks that the terrible aero was there when INEOS were wining but sailing error free.

might it just be possible that errors are the deciding factor in these races when two boats are very close in terms of performance?
Certainly errors, particularly in the starts, were a factor. Whether they're the deciding factor is hard to know. It seems clear that if LR gets off the line in front they will be hard to pass. We don't know yet what will happen if INEOS is in front.

I agree the two boats are very close. My impression is that, in the light and medium wind we've seen, LR is a fraction faster.

 

lupedelupe

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The Ineos crew call Ben Guv. That's the problem. He wants to be campaign manager, skipper and helmsman. He wants to be at the top of the hierarchy. 

And it seems that when he doesn't get his way he gets rattled. 

 
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