inexperienced couple buy a p.o.s. catamaran

[basketcase]

I don't think that anyone likes their motivations, honesty, or abilities being questioned by a stranger, how would you feel? 

Before posting up things like this... I have talked about education on Day 066 and my career on Day 068 of Liberator Project. I am working with at least another 6 engineers that have different specialist knowledge. While I have very little knowledge about sailing I do have the engineering side covered. OK will it work perfectly first time? Well almost certainly not! However, this is something that myself and friends can work out and when (or IF) we get stuck I'll come back then and ask.  More likely I will ask these questions on 'Engineering Anarchy' forums. 

I have set up my own thread to talk about my project. If you have anything constructive to add, kindly post there, if not no one wants to hear these bitter comments. 

Mate.... thats what this place is about... bitter comments. Now, tell me... has anyone given you our traditional greeting? 

 

[Dren]

Mate.... thats what this place is about... bitter comments. Now, tell me... has anyone given you our traditional greeting? 

Hahahaha, sadly yes they already have. Being single,  the best I can manage is to shown my own tits next I go swimming will that count?

(If anyone cares to know why I am single or why I look the way I do, before laying into me. I have already talked openly about these things on my channel if you are interested.)

 

[silent bob]

FTFY. It's a catamaran...

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It’s a Catamaran!

 

[Snaggletooth]

I have set up my own thread to talk about my project. If you have anything constructive to add, kindly post there, if not no one wants to hear these bitter comments. 

Obliviousley a trolle............. up yer game manne!  We licke benig temptted, teasted, and tickelled into confrnteatione, vidicatione, and mabey excepttance.               

 

[Ed Lada]

Obliviousley a trolle............. up yer game manne!  We licke benig temptted, teasted, and tickelled into confrnteatione, vidicatione, and mabey excepttance.               

I might be the first one here to have noticed, but you sure do have a way with words Snaggs!   

 

[Albatros]

I don't think that anyone likes their motivations, honesty, or abilities being questioned by a stranger, how would you feel? 

If you're so touchy-feely about that then one good advise : don't post it on a forum like this one ... or are you so arrogant to think that you can come here (or anywhere elso for that matter), throw your crackpot ideas on the table and expect everybody to fall on their knees and say halelujah to the new god ?

as for the consultant question : shall we make a count how many times you have mentioned it now ? having had decades of experience working with all sorts of "consultants" your insistence about it is plainly suspicious to me, and that has nothing to do with bitterness but all with experience.

ok, back to the squeaky show

 

[basketcase]

ok, back to the squeaky show

agreed. if i wanted to hear about some fuckwit dragging hydrogen tanks around the world on a condomaran id go to that thread.

 

[Shu]

Dren,

As one consulting engineer to another, I will take it on face value that you know how to handle hydrogen gas safely - ON LAND. A sailboat in the ocean is a completely different environment - massive accelerations and decelerations due to the sea state, rolling, pitching, etc. Things coming loose and launching themselves at your hydrogen containers, or hoses,  valves, fittings etc. You may want to look again at that photo posted upthread (also on the front page of this august internet publication) of a catamaran floating upside down in the ocean.

Gasoline and Propane are considered dangerous on boats, and there are very specific protocols on the installation and use of systems using these fuels to render them "safe enough". Nonetheless, boats do explode or burn to the waterline when something goes wrong with these fuels. No way would I want hydrogen on my boat, or my neighbor's, or my neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's.

My advice: Learn to sail. Buy a boat with a conventional power system. Get experience with this boat in all conditions. Then, if you still think you can make hydrogen safe in this environment, have at it, but please post large warning signs on your boat so I can keep a safe distance.

 

[Zonker]

One of the projects I undertook for our small engineering company (as a service that was consistently demanded) was on-line verification of systems plans/prints. What a PITA! Nothing is ever built the way it's designed, as far as I can tell

One of my very first projects was in a shipyard building 4 "identical" Torpedo Range vessels for the Canadian gov. First boat the pipes were as per plans. 2nd boat was not. WTF? 

Pipefitters were not used to series built. They said "well the way it was drawn the first time was awkward so I made it better..." Then next set of pipefitters come along and no room for their pipes which were built to plans

 

[Trovão]

Dren,

As one consulting engineer to another, I will take it on face value that you know how to handle hydrogen gas safely - ON LAND. A sailboat in the ocean is a completely different environment - massive accelerations and decelerations due to the sea state, rolling, pitching, etc. Things coming loose and launching themselves at your hydrogen containers, or hoses,  valves, fittings etc. You may want to look again at that photo posted upthread (also on the front page of this august internet publication) of a catamaran floating upside down in the ocean.

Gasoline and Propane are considered dangerous on boats, and there are very specific protocols on the installation and use of systems using these fuels to render them "safe enough". Nonetheless, boats do explode or burn to the waterline when something goes wrong with these fuels. No way would I want hydrogen on my boat, or my neighbor's, or my neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's.

My advice: Learn to sail. Buy a boat with a conventional power system. Get experience with this boat in all conditions. Then, if you still think you can make hydrogen safe in this environment, have at it, but please post large warning signs on your boat so I can keep a safe distance.

yeah, the thing would be a massive floating liability...

 

[Hawaiidart]

Dren,

As one consulting engineer to another, I will take it on face value that you know how to handle hydrogen gas safely - ON LAND. A sailboat in the ocean is a completely different environment - massive accelerations and decelerations due to the sea state, rolling, pitching, etc. Things coming loose and launching themselves at your hydrogen containers, or hoses,  valves, fittings etc. You may want to look again at that photo posted upthread (also on the front page of this august internet publication) of a catamaran floating upside down in the ocean.

Gasoline and Propane are considered dangerous on boats, and there are very specific protocols on the installation and use of systems using these fuels to render them "safe enough". Nonetheless, boats do explode or burn to the waterline when something goes wrong with these fuels. No way would I want hydrogen on my boat, or my neighbor's, or my neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's.

My advice: Learn to sail. Buy a boat with a conventional power system. Get experience with this boat in all conditions. Then, if you still think you can make hydrogen safe in this environment, have at it, but please post large warning signs on your boat so I can keep a safe distance.

USA nuclear submarines make oxygen by separating water molecules into O and H. I once asked a retired sub commander what they did with the leftover hydrogen, thinking they converted it into some kind of energy form.  His response was that the expel it back into the sea as quickly as possible.  His remark: "That stuff's dangerous!" We were standing a few feet from a nuclear reactor at the time...

 

[Dren]

If you're so touchy-feely about that then one good advise : don't post it on a forum like this one ... or are you so arrogant to think that you can come here (or anywhere elso for that matter), throw your crackpot ideas on the table and expect everybody to fall on their knees and say halelujah to the new god ?

as for the consultant question : shall we make a count how many times you have mentioned it now ? having had decades of experience working with all sorts of "consultants" your insistence about it is plainly suspicious to me, and that has nothing to do with bitterness but all with experience.

ok, back to the squeaky show

Sorry when did I say I expected everybody to fall on their knees and say halelujah to the new god? I only expect to be treated with common courtesy. I share my project on line for other peoples' entertainment, it costs you nothing so sit back and enjoy the show. I mentioned my career and my education simply because that was continuously brought into question. I do agree with you, let's get back to 9to5less  

 

[DavidC59]

Have you considered that there is not a marina in the world that s going to let you anywhere near them while towing an explosive barge?

 

[Albatros]

Have you considered that there is not a marina in the world that s going to let you anywhere near them while towing an explosive barge?

was wondering about that too, does maritime law allow him to even tow it at sea just like that ? dunno ... but at least if he puts up the "under tow"signs and proper signage that might give him here and there a bit of searoom B)

 

[Steam Flyer]

....  Gasoline and Propane are considered dangerous on boats, and there are very specific protocols on the installation and use of systems using these fuels to render them "safe enough". Nonetheless, boats do explode or burn to the waterline when something goes wrong with these fuels. No way would I want hydrogen on my boat, or my neighbor's, or my neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's neighbor's.

My advice: Learn to sail. Buy a boat with a conventional power system. Get experience with this boat in all conditions. Then, if you still think you can make hydrogen safe in this environment, have at it, but please post large warning signs on your boat so I can keep a safe distance.

USA nuclear submarines make oxygen by separating water molecules into O and H. I once asked a retired sub commander what they did with the leftover hydrogen, thinking they converted it into some kind of energy form.  His response was that the expel it back into the sea as quickly as possible.  His remark: "That stuff's dangerous!" We were standing a few feet from a nuclear reactor at the time...

Well, it makes far more sense to get rid of the hydrogen as quickly & safely as possible; if they used it for power in any way, this would require more safety precautions plus specialized expensive equipment, in a submarine where cubic space is critical....  -and- they would never recoup as much energy as it took to separate out the hydrogen in the first place.

Gasoline and propane are far less dangerous fuels, and they have a mature technology and off-the-shelf consumer products to handle them. Roll-your-own with hydrogen is pursuing a chimera. Of course, that's what some people want to do.

FB- Doug

 

[Dex Sawash]

I only expect to be treated with common courtesy. I 

You're getting the courtesy that is most common around here. 

 

[Trovão]

You're getting the courtesy that is most common around here. 

Or better...

 

[Rasputin22]

If you're so touchy-feely about that then one good advise : don't post it on a forum like this one ... or are you so arrogant to think that you can come here (or anywhere elso for that matter), throw your crackpot ideas on the table and expect everybody to fall on their knees and say halelujah to the new god ?

as for the consultant question : shall we make a count how many times you have mentioned it now ? having had decades of experience working with all sorts of "consultants" your insistence about it is plainly suspicious to me, and that has nothing to do with bitterness but all with experience.

ok, back to the squeaky show

 

[mathystuff]

I only expect to be treated with common courtesy.

Just make sure to capture the hydrogen explosion on tape and get it uploaded. Thanks in advance.

 

[Somebody Else]

Sorry when did I say I expected everybody to fall on their knees and say halelujah to the new god? I only expect to be treated with common courtesy. I share my project on line for other peoples' entertainment, it costs you nothing so sit back and enjoy the show. I mentioned my career and my education simply because that was continuously brought into question. I do agree with you, let's get back to 9to5less  

Hey!

Start your own thread instead of trying to hijack someone else's !