International Tempest help
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Somebody Else
a person of little consequence
One of the troubles with the Tempest is that you could rig them how you wanted. Some people did a much better job of it than others. So unless you know the provenance of your boat you are basically doing forensic work, often chasing down a bad idea. Think of the 2nd owner trying to reproduce the logic of the first owner, then the 3rd owner trying to reproduce the mashed-up logic of the first two, and so on.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
You don't really want to 'restore' the boat, it's not a collector's item. You want to fix it up to sail. That means rigging it with sail controls that work, and modern gear is MUCH better than what was available when the boat was built; you might have to do some fiberglass work around where the fitting s go. This is where the Tempest class expert comes in handy. Personally I like split everything (well, except the outhaul. Nobody adjusts the outhaul as much as they did back in the '70s) with a minimum 8:1 maybe more with a sailplan the size of the Tempest.
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BobBill
Super Anarchist
Steam Flyer +1.
FWIW. I would add only that the best way to "rig" is to sail, which is sort of tough, when you have new boat to rig. But, rigging is not so simple as some who have not done it think, and it can be spendy.
I would likely find a boat with simple rig, and copy it to sail in light conditions and proceed from there as you learn. Tempests seem to have lost their panache over time, so finding a simply rigged boat may be though. Never easy on some ODY classes..."go-fasts" are tricky.
Tempest was one of the very subtle "go-fast" boats. Also get with Tempest sailors and clubs, as I am sure you have considered. Detective work might be as tedious as setting up hardware...break it down into simple areas of need...very mindful task.
FWIW. I would add only that the best way to "rig" is to sail, which is sort of tough, when you have new boat to rig. But, rigging is not so simple as some who have not done it think, and it can be spendy.
I would likely find a boat with simple rig, and copy it to sail in light conditions and proceed from there as you learn. Tempests seem to have lost their panache over time, so finding a simply rigged boat may be though. Never easy on some ODY classes..."go-fasts" are tricky.
Tempest was one of the very subtle "go-fast" boats. Also get with Tempest sailors and clubs, as I am sure you have considered. Detective work might be as tedious as setting up hardware...break it down into simple areas of need...very mindful task.
BobBill
Super Anarchist
Maybe ask in another thread...here is pic...restoration also....from Tempest site. Might show simplest rig.
Steve Clark
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I am pretty good at most of the Tempest stuff through 1975.
Which was the last time I raced them.
By the time I was done, I had practically built 3 of the damn things, so I remember how they were put together and what the fogging evolved into.
What I don't know I can probably recommend a workable solution.
What boat did you buy? Sail number and builder would be helpful. I probably remember eveyone up to USA# 250 or so.
They are pretty cool boats.
SHC
Which was the last time I raced them.
By the time I was done, I had practically built 3 of the damn things, so I remember how they were put together and what the fogging evolved into.
What I don't know I can probably recommend a workable solution.
What boat did you buy? Sail number and builder would be helpful. I probably remember eveyone up to USA# 250 or so.
They are pretty cool boats.
SHC
BobBill
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There you go...help from one of the best...bon chance!
Somebody Else
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BobBill
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Dig that! Only pic I could find...sort of gross, but if you know a bit about rigging...
But, with Mr. Clark available, no need really.
Bet SHC sailed off Milwaukee...wonder if we clashed on occasion...be rare for me. Was really difficult rounding up crew person back then...who knew the game.
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BobBill
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Probably timing, mixed with specialty...and $$$. Flying Fifteen even Hunts 110 were successes from previous era...timing. Both sail like a dream. My guess. What do I know?
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mustang__1
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they are definitely very nice sailing boats.
Steam Flyer
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Devoforedeckus
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We owned Tempest US 13 (RIP). My take was that the bulb hanger was flat (much like a snipe dagger board) and therefore provided little lift. It forced you to foot off to get any kind of action happening. This resulted, because of the large sail area, in needing crews that were at least 6' 6" and over 220lbs. Didn't hurt for the skipper to be large as well. (Go Dennis - Mr. Bronze Medal). We loved that boat but being punk assed teenagers we did not have enough mass to tack in over 25 on SF Bay. It was awesome on "The Creek".
I had one for a year or two in the late 60s, #176 IIRC, and we were hopeless at 5'9"/150#, with a crew just slightly larger. I think the winning boat had a 6'5/190 driver and a 6'4/220 crew. Girls did not need to apply. Plus the rigging wars were unrelenting. It was a money pit.
Prepping for the Olympics, dedicated (heavyweight) teams would run a baseline boat, a test boat that was Swiss-cheesed with rigging ideas, and a raceboat. Essentially, what should have been a really good sport boat if it had had a good keel and some additional one-design aspects, became an inadequate alternate to the bottomless-pit Starboat. Take a Star, add a spinnaker, deduct style, similar costs = Tempest.
Prepping for the Olympics, dedicated (heavyweight) teams would run a baseline boat, a test boat that was Swiss-cheesed with rigging ideas, and a raceboat. Essentially, what should have been a really good sport boat if it had had a good keel and some additional one-design aspects, became an inadequate alternate to the bottomless-pit Starboat. Take a Star, add a spinnaker, deduct style, similar costs = Tempest.
pulpit
Super Anarchist
The tempast is a great boat and way ahead of its time and a pity that they only ever sailed in 1 Olympics. Just think what we could of been sailing sooner. It was a true sports boat when it was designed back in the 1960's and can still out sail many designs, designed and build after it was designed.
It just goes to show if you have a second rate older designed boat and the support and you can be kicked out of 1 Olympics by a better designed boat and still return the next Olympics after. The star sailors must give good head or have photos of the right people to be able to return like they did.
Pulpit
