Is LaserPerformance planning a new dinghy???

Xeon

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Full disclosure - don't tell anyone least of all him but I think GRF is cool. Not too many f*cks given. Blissfully free from the ravages of political correctness.
1) Most people the quote ‘ political correctness’ have no idea what it really means. 
2) Re grf there is a BIG difference between’ not giving a [email protected]@k ‘ and being a total arse and being unnecessary cruel and rude. 
Every says says he is ok in real life, which makes him a total TROLL and a Coward . Because he won’t say the things he says on line in person . I know this as I offered to meet him in person so he could repeat what he had said to me  to my face, he couldn’t back peddle fast enough . Lol 

I only have one rule online. I will not post anything I wouldn’t say to that persons face.

So I will say again , Sunfish are [email protected]@t and grf is a [email protected]@t . :D

 

Daniel Holman

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1) Most people the quote ‘ political correctness’ have no idea what it really means. 
2) Re grf there is a BIG difference between’ not giving a [email protected]@k ‘ and being a total arse and being unnecessary cruel and rude. 
Every says says he is ok in real life, which makes him a total TROLL and a Coward . Because he won’t say the things he says on line in person . I know this as I offered to meet him in person so he could repeat what he had said to me  to my face, he couldn’t back peddle fast enough . Lol 

I only have one rule online. I will not post anything I wouldn’t say to that persons face.

So I will say again , Sunfish are [email protected]@t and grf is a [email protected]@t . :D
I accept he is a niche taste. A very small niche. Sunfish - now thats another matter!

 

Xeon

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I accept he is a niche taste. A very small niche. Sunfish - now thats another matter!
Very niche, a little like Scat and necrophilia lol. .

I will give you that , compared to grf a Sunfish is a design classic  :D

Joking apart , seriously what are your thoughts on LP new offering ? 
TBH to me it’s looks better in the flesh than I was expecting. But that was quite a low bar . 

 
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I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to really confirm the weight of it at the Dinghy Show. I never saw any PortStar Sailing here at Setubal.. and TBH the design doesn't look as much as the picture I shared here.

I asked at the sailing club ( SailLaser center ) if they will have any to test and they told that they are expecting to have 2 boats by the end of the month, so I am very keen to test it. 

 I would like to know how it does sailing against an Aero, Laser or a D one.

I still doubt of the wings system.. everyone will want to have the wings spread for better performance.. I wouldn't ride a Ferrari with the engine limited to 50hp...

 
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JimC

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I still doubt of the wings system.. everyone will want to have the wings spread for better performance.. I wouldn't ride a Ferrari with the engine limited to 50hp...
When weight equalisation was fashionable in the UK in the late 90s there didn't seem to be a major problem with people wanting to sail with minimum lead and max wings, at least at class events. But it was policed and people kept their eyes on their competitors. 

 

RobbieB

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I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to really confirm the weight of it at the Dinghy Show. I never saw any PortStar Sailing here at Setubal.. and TBH the design doesn't look as much as the picture I shared here.

I asked at the sailing club ( SailLaser center ) if they will have any to test and they told that they are expecting to have 2 boats by the end of the month, so I am very keen to test it. 

 I would like to know how it does sailing against an Aero, Laser or a D one.

I still doubt of the wings system.. everyone will want to have the wings spread for better performance.. I wouldn't ride a Ferrari with the engine limited to 50hp...
Seen a boat yet?

 

prettig

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It's on my list .......just need a change to try it.

Have 2 x Laser EPS (don't ask) and a foiler. The EPS is great fun and damn fast (not many boats that keep up with me). If this thing points better I am in (broad and down it will be fast anyway). Sail looks better. I use a better after market sail on the EPS (standard sail is not bad btw, just outdated.... a good modern sail does help).

The EPS (with 9,5m) is a fun boat (but try 25+ knots with the 8,5m...... wow). This looks like a better version of it.

Portstar: "seats" are bigger than the EPS (looks like it is easier to sit in front). The back extends better (easier to hike in strong winds). Hull, no idea..... let's see. Sail: 8.5m max, but lighter and better (just comparing with the EPS).

 
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Xeon

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It's on my list .......just need a change to try it.

Have 2 x Laser EPS (don't ask) and a foiler. The EPS is great fun and damn fast (not many boats that keep up with me). If this thing points better I am in (broad en down it will be fast anyway). Sail looks better. I use a better after market sail on the EPS (standard sail is not bad btw, just outdated.... a good modern sail does help).

The EPS (with 9,5m) is a fun boat (but try 25+ knots with the 8,5m...... wow). This looks like a better version of it.

Portstar: "seats" are bigger than the EPS (looks like it is easier to sit in front). The back extends better (easier to hike in strong winds). Hull, no idea..... let's see. Sail: 8.5m max, but lighter and better (just comparing with the EPS).
It’s definitely a better version of a EPS, but will it still have the same strengths and weaknesses. Fast in straight line but slow to roll tack because of the wings . 

Think I will stay with my better version of a Laser TBH.  :D

 

prettig

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You do not roll tack an EPS (it will really slow you down), just roll a bit and tack (it just needs speed). It is not a standard Laser (you have to sail it differently).Portstar (or any other boat with wings) will be the same.

I am just really curious on how the hull will perform, guess we have to wait for the first video's.

 
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Xeon

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You do not roll tack an EPS (it will really slow you down), just roll a bit and tack (it just needs speed). It is not a standard Laser (you have to sail it differently).Portstar (or any other boat with wings) will be the same.

I am just really curious on how the hull will perform, guess we have to wait for the first video's.
I know you don’t roll tack a EPS thats my point . :D  

Thats why they never took off in the uk , a lot of people sail on small bits of water and the ability to roll tack is a must.

TBH it’s looks like you might just be able to roll tack the pornstar on flat water as it looks like it has a lot more freeboard than than the EPS. 

That do you think ? 

 

prettig

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I know you don’t roll tack a EPS thats my point . :D  

Thats why they never took off in the uk , a lot of people sail on small bits of water and the ability to roll tack is a must.

TBH it’s looks like you might just be able to roll tack the pornstar on flat water as it looks like it has a lot more freeboard than than the EPS. 

That do you think ? 
Your right, it has indeed more freeboard and the boards are flat (maybe they cut better through the water). The EPS is quite a bit lower and the freeboards are bulkier (they don't cut). Looks like you can get a lot more angle. Hope they start making some video's.

 

Xeon

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It’s a pretty poor video from a company that keeps telling everyone they are the largest dinghy manufacturer in the world . 
 

Doesn’t look like they are really interested in selling it to club sailors around the world at all .
Looks like it will just end up with the other dross they sell to sailing schools and holiday centres .  :(

 

Xeon

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I believe LPE in Portugal have done bust and the EU is looking for it’s 3 million euro grant back .

Pico, Vago and Bahia have not been built due to court action by Jo Richards due to unpaid royalties. Think we have been there before.

If this is true , I don’t think there is any chance of any of us seeing a Pornstar any time soon  . :D

 

Xeon

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Might be good if any Sunfish lovers post this on Sunfish forums to see if it’s true . Even if it is , I would very surprised if the owner of the company has not transferred the ip rights of the Sunfish and Laser to other companies. 

 

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I hope that LP can keep its 'promise' of providing (at least 72) new boats for the Sunfish Worlds in September (Lake Garda). 

 

Xeon

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I hope that LP can keep its 'promise' of providing (at least 72) new boats for the Sunfish Worlds in September (Lake Garda). 
IF this is true , LP is dead in the water and cannot provide any new boats . But as I said I would not be surprised if a new company turns up claiming the IP of the Sunfish class . 

 

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