Is LaserPerformance planning a new dinghy???

[Xeon]

Blatant echo .

You misunderstand me . I understand they have said it will be a carbon boat and I guessed it was the arc rig.

But the sock puppets on here have said it will it will be in the same price range as a laser and this is just not possible .

SO,

1) It will be a all carbon boat and rig and be a lot more money.

OR

2) It will be a roto moulded boat with a carbon rig and hit the price point. 
 

As I’ve said before , time will tell 

Tbh I don’t expect it to hit the market at all .

 

[Roller Skates]

But the sock puppets on here have said it will it will be in the same price range as a laser and this is just not possible .

With where the price went on the ILCA in the last two years, wouldn't surprise me if they could hit it. New boat in the USA is breaking five digits. Laser spars, plus a hull discounted just enough to hit it. There's no reason the ILCA sail should cost the same as my windsurfing sails for what it is.

 

[Xeon]

With where the price went on the ILCA in the last two years, wouldn't surprise me if they could hit it. New boat in the USA is breaking five digits. Laser spars, plus a hull discounted just enough to hit it. There's no reason the ILCA sail should cost the same as my windsurfing sails for what it is.

You may be correct but if it it was that easy it would have been already.

There are no mainstream singlehanded  adult boats ( in the 12” to 15” range) that cost less than a ILCA in the uk never mind being a full carbon hull and rig . 
The nearest boats are probably the Aero and Zero and both are more expensive to buy than a ILCA and neither of them are full carbon hull and rig.
If two well run companies like RS and Devoti cannot do it why would you think a company with [email protected] history could .

I totally agree about ILCA sails but they are still  relatively cheap for dinghy sails . Aero sails are in the £500 to £550 range , my last British moth sail was £800 and if I want a new sail for my D-zero that is £1000. 
Plus sails for all the big uk singlehanded classes are in the £750 to £1100 range . 

 

[Roller Skates]

If two well run companies like RS and Devoti cannot do it why would you think a company with [email protected] history could .

Because I don't expect them to do it sustainably, I expect them to drive it into the ground. :lol:  
The whole thing seems like a "steal market share" move not a "build a sustainable alternative boat with decades of support".
I fully expect them to turn 100 of them at a loss, get some press at a single-handed IOC trial thing, then fizzle. 

 

[Roller Skates]

I totally agree about ILCA sails but they are still  relatively cheap for dinghy sails . Aero sails are in the £500 to £550 range , my last British moth sail was £800 and if I want a new sail for my D-zero that is £1000. 

Let's pretend for a second that the ILCA sail takes half the materials, labor, and finesse to produce (because it's really a quarter, compared to a moth sail). You're absolutely right, it is a relatively cheap sail, sold for way to much. I just get frustrated when I'm turning over the price of my boat by buying 2-3 sails. That ain't right. 

 

[Bill5]

Let's pretend for a second that the ILCA sail takes half the materials, labor, and finesse to produce (because it's really a quarter, compared to a moth sail). You're absolutely right, it is a relatively cheap sail, sold for way to much. I just get frustrated when I'm turning over the price of my boat by buying 2-3 sails. That ain't right. 

This one has been pretty much beaten to death. Call North and/or Hyde and complain. The Association gets less than $30 per sail.

 

[Bored Stiff]

The new boat LP is teasing in this thread, is a carbon hulled, single person race boat, designed underneath the carbon/ARC rig first deployed on the Laser.

Effectively, LP is attempting to design a hull to use that rig.
This new boat is built directly to fit the criteria of World Sailing / Olympic Selection Committee that picked the Aero on technical merits.
That is their target.

I thought new Olympic classes had to be recyclable.  Or is that just my wishful thinking?

Either way, the performance gain from a small singlehander being built in carbon is marginal - the speed of these boats is more limited by low righting moment than excess weight. And being marginally the quickest option amongst a range of low performance classes is not an important differentiator. 

 

[Roller Skates]

This one has been pretty much beaten to death. Call North and/or Hyde and complain. The Association gets less than $30 per sail.

Or maybe our class could you know... represent us in negotiations...? 
Isn't that what my dues are for?

 

[JimC]

I never saw one in real life..i thing that the concept was great.. never understand why it didn't have the success

Lousy hull shape and flawed rig. 

 

[JMP]

LP could just copy what Carbon Center in Russia has done with the "Beam" 

 

[Jethrow]

That's some pretty creative flop molding going on there! :lol:

 

[Xeon]

Lousy hull shape and flawed rig. 

I cannot be that bad as that well known (well to the two of us anyway) sailing god, iGRF owned one .

And the only reason he didn’t win every race was the RYA/ The Portsmouth yardstick/ global warming/the Gulf Stream /the leebow effect/ the height of trapeze wires and other sailors sailors cheating by simply sailing better.

 

[Xeon]

LP could just copy what Carbon Center in Russia has done with the "Beam" 

I have to say it looks surprisingly good 

 

[tillerman]

LP could just copy what Carbon Center in Russia has done with the "Beam" 

LOL

 

[Alan Crawford]

I see the Beam comes with a factory installed inspection port to enable one to repair the mast step when it fails! 

 

[LFL]

Do they varnish the wooden grab rails as part of an upgrade package?

 

[Alan Crawford]

Do they varnish the wooden grab rails as part of an upgrade package?

Those wooden grab rails ARE the upgrade - wood is "carbon" after all!

 

[Xeon]

LP could just copy what Carbon Center in Russia has done with the "Beam" 

Looking at the position of the traveler. Is the boat longer or the boom shorter than a ILCA/Laser ? 

 

[Dave Clark]

oh wow. 

DRC

 

[Xeon]

Thanks for the pic , Dave.

Looks ‘ interesting’ .  At least we now have a picture of the back and front and the hull profile .

I don’t think I will be exchanging my D-zero for one anytime soon . Lol