Well compared to my J/109 that is 10 m2 of additional sail area with 2,000 fewer lbs. of displacement. So it should go faster DW then my current ride. Of course the J/122 has a 155 m2 kite (so an extra 35 m2 of chute) but displaces 4,000 lbs. more than I do.Explain to me about having the sail area to go fast dw. 130 squares not that large, certainly nothing to write home about. Likely makes for reasonable performance nothing more. Or am I missing the boat?
The J/122 should gain upwind, but give it all back down wind. It is not just sail area and displacement. They really tried to get the rig and hull shape as efficient as possible for down wind speed. When the boat breaks loose on a plane, it won't be close. You need about 18 kts. of breeze for that from what I've been told. We can pretty much count on that and more every day here in the summer.Well compared to my J/109 that is 10 m2 of additional sail area with 2,000 fewer lbs. of displacement. So it should go faster DW then my current ride. Of course the J/122 has a 155 m2 kite (so an extra 35 m2 of chute) but displaces 4,000 lbs. more than I do.Explain to me about having the sail area to go fast dw. 130 squares not that large, certainly nothing to write home about. Likely makes for reasonable performance nothing more. Or am I missing the boat?
So maybe the J/122 will get to the windward mark first, but the J/111 will make up much of that spread on the DW leg?
At any rate, I would LOVE to see the 109/111/122 all out racing at the same time. That would be kinda cool...heck, throw in a 133 for shits and giggles...
Z
I think we've seen 18 knots of true MAYBE twice this whole summer. I am jealous! We just pray that maybe with a seabreeze we will get close to double-digits...of windspeed that is. It takes 18 knots of true to get the BOAT into double-digits!!!The J/122 should gain upwind, but give it all back down wind. It is not just sail area and displacement. They really tried to get the rig and hull shape as efficient as possible for down wind speed. When the boat breaks loose on a plane, it won't be close. You need about 18 kts. of breeze for that from what I've been told. We can pretty much count on that and more every day here in the summer.Well compared to my J/109 that is 10 m2 of additional sail area with 2,000 fewer lbs. of displacement. So it should go faster DW then my current ride. Of course the J/122 has a 155 m2 kite (so an extra 35 m2 of chute) but displaces 4,000 lbs. more than I do.Explain to me about having the sail area to go fast dw. 130 squares not that large, certainly nothing to write home about. Likely makes for reasonable performance nothing more. Or am I missing the boat?
So maybe the J/122 will get to the windward mark first, but the J/111 will make up much of that spread on the DW leg?
At any rate, I would LOVE to see the 109/111/122 all out racing at the same time. That would be kinda cool...heck, throw in a 133 for shits and giggles...
Z
Yes my J120 as a 165m chute but is 5,000lbs heavier and a much lower aspect Rig. This thing should get up and go downwind in a breeze. Nor a sportboat by any means but still good performance on a fairly comfortable platform.Well compared to my J/109 that is 10 m2 of additional sail area with 2,000 fewer lbs. of displacement. So it should go faster DW then my current ride. Of course the J/122 has a 155 m2 kite (so an extra 35 m2 of chute) but displaces 4,000 lbs. more than I do.Explain to me about having the sail area to go fast dw. 130 squares not that large, certainly nothing to write home about. Likely makes for reasonable performance nothing more. Or am I missing the boat?
So maybe the J/122 will get to the windward mark first, but the J/111 will make up much of that spread on the DW leg?
At any rate, I would LOVE to see the 109/111/122 all out racing at the same time. That would be kinda cool...heck, throw in a 133 for shits and giggles...
Z
Exactly, this boat was built up a lot for it's downwind performance, but I have yet to see any video/pics of it doing exactly that. Right now we are still speculating. I know J Boats has been successful in the past, but in this day in age the average consumer needs instant gratification. Are we still waiting on more hulls to be launched before we see a better marketing effort?The J/122 should gain upwind, but give it all back down wind. It is not just sail area and displacement. They really tried to get the rig and hull shape as efficient as possible for down wind speed. When the boat breaks loose on a plane, it won't be close. You need about 18 kts. of breeze for that from what I've been told. We can pretty much count on that and more every day here in the summer.Well compared to my J/109 that is 10 m2 of additional sail area with 2,000 fewer lbs. of displacement. So it should go faster DW then my current ride. Of course the J/122 has a 155 m2 kite (so an extra 35 m2 of chute) but displaces 4,000 lbs. more than I do.Explain to me about having the sail area to go fast dw. 130 squares not that large, certainly nothing to write home about. Likely makes for reasonable performance nothing more. Or am I missing the boat?
So maybe the J/122 will get to the windward mark first, but the J/111 will make up much of that spread on the DW leg?
At any rate, I would LOVE to see the 109/111/122 all out racing at the same time. That would be kinda cool...heck, throw in a 133 for shits and giggles...
Z
Hey, it's a family operation ;-) Marketing can always be better, more professional but as everybody here know, it's all about the boat. The boat proves istelf on the water, it will take off regardless of marketing. You can also overhype a boat - as with the SC37 - and then disappoint. J boats has an amazing repeat buyer audience. Little bit like Porsche that way who sell something like 80% of their cars to those who have bought them before. I have owned a J before as well.Exactly, this boat was built up a lot for it's downwind performance, but I have yet to see any video/pics of it doing exactly that. Right now we are still speculating. I know J Boats has been successful in the past, but in this day in age the average consumer needs instant gratification. Are we still waiting on more hulls to be launched before we see a better marketing effort?
Ya should have come down for BBR instead of farting around in some local race where the only ripples on the water were from the sewage outflowI think we've seen 18 knots of true MAYBE twice this whole summer. I am jealous! We just pray that maybe with a seabreeze we will get close to double-digits...of windspeed that is. It takes 18 knots of true to get the BOAT into double-digits!!!
The marketing seems to be just fine based on pre-orders. And as for instant gratification, hull #1 was only launched a few weeks ago, jeezez.Exactly, this boat was built up a lot for it's downwind performance, but I have yet to see any video/pics of it doing exactly that. Right now we are still speculating. I know J Boats has been successful in the past, but in this day in age the average consumer needs instant gratification. Are we still waiting on more hulls to be launched before we see a better marketing effort?The J/122 should gain upwind, but give it all back down wind. It is not just sail area and displacement. They really tried to get the rig and hull shape as efficient as possible for down wind speed. When the boat breaks loose on a plane, it won't be close. You need about 18 kts. of breeze for that from what I've been told. We can pretty much count on that and more every day here in the summer.Well compared to my J/109 that is 10 m2 of additional sail area with 2,000 fewer lbs. of displacement. So it should go faster DW then my current ride. Of course the J/122 has a 155 m2 kite (so an extra 35 m2 of chute) but displaces 4,000 lbs. more than I do.Explain to me about having the sail area to go fast dw. 130 squares not that large, certainly nothing to write home about. Likely makes for reasonable performance nothing more. Or am I missing the boat?
So maybe the J/122 will get to the windward mark first, but the J/111 will make up much of that spread on the DW leg?
At any rate, I would LOVE to see the 109/111/122 all out racing at the same time. That would be kinda cool...heck, throw in a 133 for shits and giggles...
Z
Well compared to my J/109 that is 10 m2 of additional sail area with 2,000 fewer lbs. of displacement. So it should go faster DW then my current ride. Of course the J/122 has a 155 m2 kite (so an extra 35 m2 of chute) but displaces 4,000 lbs. more than I do.Explain to me about having the sail area to go fast dw. 130 squares not that large, certainly nothing to write home about. Likely makes for reasonable performance nothing more. Or am I missing the boat?
So maybe the J/122 will get to the windward mark first, but the J/111 will make up much of that spread on the DW leg?
At any rate, I would LOVE to see the 109/111/122 all out racing at the same time. That would be kinda cool...heck, throw in a 133 for shits and giggles...
Z
Hey, only ten more alimony payments to go and then I get 30% of my income back and we get to start doing AWAY regattas again!!! See you next August in Padanaram...Ya should have come down for BBR instead of farting around in some local race where the only ripples on the water were from the sewage outflowI think we've seen 18 knots of true MAYBE twice this whole summer. I am jealous! We just pray that maybe with a seabreeze we will get close to double-digits...of windspeed that is. It takes 18 knots of true to get the BOAT into double-digits!!!. We had two days of breeze in the mid- to high double digits.
But thanks for sharing Big J. with us on Friday and Sunday... that guy can trim a kite!
I am really sorry to rain on anyones new boat release, BUT I Have to say that any GOOD FRIENDS DON'T LET THEIR GOOD FRIENDS SAIL ON J BOATS,
SORRY, But just had to go there
you see..., the thing about JBoats is that they are building boats for people who actually buy boats, and not for their "friends", who come along for the occasional ride, and then crap on the boats on internet forums.
Doyle (for one) makes jibs with flexible horizontal battens you can roll.does anybody know which made this rollable horizontal buttons are? am very keen to know.......
I was out sailing on the new J-111.Fast is fun,and this boat is fasT.We were out with a sailmaker ,Stu Johnston and Rich Stearns the J boat dealer from Midwest, so we had good people on board ,the driver was a long time shipmate of mine that owns a J-105 and has some interet in the J-111.It has been blowing from the west ,North west in Chicago for the last two days and when we went out the breze was between 20 and I guess the highest I saw was 28(I was told that it was the most breese that a J-111 was in so far) .We were going down wind and the boat planes.We saw 15.7 speed in 22 knots wind.I am sure we could've got more out of it with some waves.When the boat offloads it just takes off.Up wind, the sailmaker was still tuning the rig, so we could not get it to her full potential I am sure, but I can tell you that the boat is happy at 7.5-7.8 in that breese and and the boat felt stable.
That is my $0.02 from Chicago
Fast is fun and the J-111 is fast
Dorin
Of course ,for the beer can races at CCYC...You getting one DC? Looks like a nice ride.
I was out sailing on the new J-111.Fast is fun,and this boat is fasT.We were out with a sailmaker ,Stu Johnston and Rich Stearns the J boat dealer from Midwest, so we had good people on board ,the driver was a long time shipmate of mine that owns a J-105 and has some interet in the J-111.It has been blowing from the west ,North west in Chicago for the last two days and when we went out the breze was between 20 and I guess the highest I saw was 28(I was told that it was the most breese that a J-111 was in so far) .We were going down wind and the boat planes.We saw 15.7 speed in 22 knots wind.I am sure we could've got more out of it with some waves.When the boat offloads it just takes off.Up wind, the sailmaker was still tuning the rig, so we could not get it to her full potential I am sure, but I can tell you that the boat is happy at 7.5-7.8 in that breese and and the boat felt stable.
That is my $0.02 from Chicago
Fast is fun and the J-111 is fast
Dorin
Hi DC,I was out sailing on the new J-111.Fast is fun,and this boat is fasT.We were out with a sailmaker ,Stu Johnston and Rich Stearns the J boat dealer from Midwest, so we had good people on board ,the driver was a long time shipmate of mine that owns a J-105 and has some interet in the J-111.It has been blowing from the west ,North west in Chicago for the last two days and when we went out the breze was between 20 and I guess the highest I saw was 28(I was told that it was the most breese that a J-111 was in so far) .We were going down wind and the boat planes.We saw 15.7 speed in 22 knots wind.I am sure we could've got more out of it with some waves.When the boat offloads it just takes off.Up wind, the sailmaker was still tuning the rig, so we could not get it to her full potential I am sure, but I can tell you that the boat is happy at 7.5-7.8 in that breese and and the boat felt stable.
That is my $0.02 from Chicago
Fast is fun and the J-111 is fast
Dorin