J/111 Goes Sailing...

ragbag

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What's the logic with the high aspect rudder ? More or less likely to stall ? Better at high or low speeds vs standard aspect ratio ?

Congrats on the boat's launch.

You need a lot of bite to keep a boat like this on its feet, and maintain steerage. The J/90 had such an undersized rudder, you had nothing to say about it. It would round up and wipe out with no warning. The tiller would just go limb. You also could not sail the boat down hard without first easing the main hard. A lot f the rudders on 90s and 125s were replaced with high aspect ones, and it cured a lot of the bad behavior. J Boats got in front of this one with the rudder design.

 

solosailor

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Here is the J/90 keel contusion...... and mine! Oh, just saw the 90. Heard the rudder did it's normal, 'no-warning-broach', and ran into a committee boat and crushed the spreaders into the rig, totaled it. New Hall spar on the way.

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#4 launched this morning
Sweet!!! Congratulations!
Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.
Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?

 

ragbag

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#4 launched this morning
Sweet!!! Congratulations!
Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.
Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?
Next one is due here in the spring. Deposits have been taken for another 3 boats, but now having a boat here will put things in motion more. We will get an OD fleet here of some sort. The new boat is in the water now, and may get its first sail as soon as today. She's sitting right next to a 105 illustrrating what difference 20 years make. We have a huge 105 fleet here, that will be a place where future buyers will come from.

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ragbag

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Nothing negative in that video. The boat is flying and looks great.

Keep working on your conspiracy theory.
Looked pretty tender to me! \wink\ :ph34r:

and what about that broach at 1:15 (censored)
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As they say in skiing: "no falls, no balls". If that boat didn't broach in these conditions, it'd be underpowered or sailed too conservatively. You are always on the edge of losing it, or you are not sailing hard enough. This boat has an unusually deep high aspect rudder which will help a lot.
Another look at the rudder

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Crash

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OK then Christian, for the sake of the rest of us who don't know the official definition of "unusually deep and high aspect" can you provide pictures and a definition of what does qualify as on for us? I'm not trying to be a total smart ass, but you seem intent on bashing it just because its from J Boats...

 

jsailannapolis

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OK then Christian, for the sake of the rest of us who don't know the official definition of "unusually deep and high aspect" can you provide pictures and a definition of what does qualify as on for us? I'm not trying to be a total smart ass, but you seem intent on bashing it just because its from J Boats...
2nd that!

 

Daimond

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#4 launched this morning
Sweet!!! Congratulations!
Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.
Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?
Next one is due here in the spring. Deposits have been taken for another 3 boats, but now having a boat here will put things in motion more. We will get an OD fleet here of some sort. The new boat is in the water now, and may get its first sail as soon as today. She's sitting right next to a 105 illustrrating what difference 20 years make. We have a huge 105 fleet here, that will be a place where future buyers will come from.

Hopefully at some point she will be parked next to the SC37. That will be an interesting comparision.

 

ragbag

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#4 launched this morning
Sweet!!! Congratulations!
Congrats! Nice to see some a plan come together and someone who puts their money where their mouth is - the rest is just noise. You'll be out there with a huge grim while the whiners can look at pix on the internet.
Where will she be based, any of the other 46-odd coming your way?

Does anyone know when the first 111 will hit the UK?
Next one is due here in the spring. Deposits have been taken for another 3 boats, but now having a boat here will put things in motion more. We will get an OD fleet here of some sort. The new boat is in the water now, and may get its first sail as soon as today. She's sitting right next to a 105 illustrrating what difference 20 years make. We have a huge 105 fleet here, that will be a place where future buyers will come from.
That won't be long. Sailcal has one parked at their dock, just 50 yds away. The 111 will go their as well after this week (almost complete on rigging), we're sailing tomorrow for the first time.

Hopefully at some point she will be parked next to the SC37. That will be an interesting comparision.
 

ragbag

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I see Invisible slipped her dock lines yesterday. How was the first sail?
Yep. First full trial for the Invisible Hand with all the sails up yesterday. It trucked upwind at 7+ kts with 10 kts of breeze. Powered up easily, not sticky. Very light, precise, balanced, finger tip steering. Downwind 8-9 kts. in same conditions, pulled a good wake. Lot of control from the helm. Boat shows a lot of pedigree, easy to sail. Tacking and gybing, the boat pivots like a dinghy, I could launch somebody from the foredeck. Steering position is very comfortable with molded braces, pedestal and great visibility with big wheel. Nice to be able to get to gross/fine tune, traveller without leaving your perch, excellent ciockpit setup for short handing. Boat motors great both forward and in reverse.

I was expecting the down wind performance, but it exceeded my expectations upwind. Feels like a big boat with full canvas up. Didn't think it was too tender but then again have not seen 20 kts yet of breeze like we get here in summer. Overall, a very nice combination of sailing attributes in one package. Aside from lofty racing ambitions, this is a boat you just want to take for a spin with a cold six pack and just keep going, keep the tunes blearing in the cockpit. Doyle did a fabulous job on the sails (Stratis). The spar is incredibly stiff. Must be all those nano tubes. SailCal has been all over the details, been happy with the high standards for details/commissioning. We are still sorting out how to rig and carry a code zero on the boat. Want to set it up on a furler, open50/60 style. Another weapon reaching up/down the coast.

 
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Congrats, it sounds great. The upwind speed is impressive, makes me wonder how close winded it is. Must be a lot tighter than a 105 given that has a roller furling headstay, no in-effers, and is 18 years old. Any pix in its berth beside the 105?

Again, good for you. It's nice to see someone enjoying their new pride and joy. For interests sake, unless it's confidential, when did you shake hands with the Johnstons on her? Interested in the lead time from paper sale to first splash. Cheers.

 

StayinStrewn

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upwind #s do sound great for a 35 footer...not to bust chops, but are those verified w/ a handheld gps and/or calibrated instruments?

good luck with the new ride!!

 

DC/Chicago

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upwind #s do sound great for a 35 footer...not to bust chops, but are those verified w/ a handheld gps and/or calibrated instruments?

good luck with the new ride!!
Hell,go ahead bust his chops.....I was here 2 months ago and said the boat went upwind at +7s in te 20s everyone busted my chops..Happy to see the new owner LOVES the new boat!! Congrats

 

ragbag

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upwind #s do sound great for a 35 footer...not to bust chops, but are those verified w/ a handheld gps and/or calibrated instruments?

good luck with the new ride!!
Hell,go ahead bust his chops.....I was here 2 months ago and said the boat went upwind at +7s in te 20s everyone busted my chops..Happy to see the new owner LOVES the new boat!! Congrats
The instruments (NKE) are close but not a 100% calibrated yet. GPS largely corroborated the numbers through the water though. To answer the other question: I had a small refundable hull deposit to hold my place in line with the local dealer as far back as january/february. I think there are a lot of folks out there in the same position. The next big deposit is for the molding start which really cements your commitment to the boat and that was June time frame. Boat was delivered mid October. She is now 99% done, show condition.

We had a Christening party for the boat this afternoon at a local yacht club. Lot of people showed up to look over the boat. It was like a mini boat show but with only one boat to look at ;-) (and free drinks) There are a lot of current and former 105 owners here that are foaming at the mouth to move on this new platform.

 
i still cant believe how quickly these things have been selling, but it sounds like J definitely designed a new winner. Should be neat to see how the fleet progresses and does (for the short term) in rating races. Though it sounds like OD isnt far away in some areas...

Ragbag, the helm is light, but does it at least have feeling? that was one of my gripes with the 109, under about 15kts or so there really wasnt hardly any feel in the thing...

 

ragbag

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i still cant believe how quickly these things have been selling, but it sounds like J definitely designed a new winner. Should be neat to see how the fleet progresses and does (for the short term) in rating races. Though it sounds like OD isnt far away in some areas...

Ragbag, the helm is light, but does it at least have feeling? that was one of my gripes with the 109, under about 15kts or so there really wasnt hardly any feel in the thing...
Just a slight amount of weather helm, but you can steer the boat up or down with similar effort. When you hold the helm in place, it just just trucks straight. You get the tell tales flying, slightly lifting, and just hold it there. You don't have to be a great driver to keep this boat in the groove. Boat powers up quickly in light air, lots of pressure and feel.

 

BarePoles

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ragbag,

Congrats on the new toy, it sounds like an amazing ride! Please feel free to post any sailing porn once you get everything sorted out. ;)

BP

 
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