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we don't get paid anything to feature this boat. it's new, we got the pics, and we ran it, just like we do with a whole bunch of new boats. nice try though.
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liquorpig
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The sail plan looks pretty weak to me along with an under spec'd rig (particularly the boom). Maybe that's why it has no sail area?? The hull seems beefy but that translates into weight. Maybe it's a good compromise boat for a family, but there are better options in this category for this type of boat. I'm sure that it will suit someones needs who wants a "brand name" and will write the check to have the "J "logo on their club shirt & hat. Best of luck to the Johnstone clan with this one....
I think they should have started using roman numerals for the line of boats that includes the 100. J-X, etc. Or perhaps just drop a digit. Even though they have a lot of boats in their stable, there are many numbers left. And they are pretty clever.
The boat looks great to me. Any owners need (positive thinking) crew?
It's so great that we can have exactly the same discussions over and over again... every time the Ed gets a new picture and start a new thread (why no tiller, sailplan to small, too heavy, gennaker to small, J/boats naming, etc, etc...).
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And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one? So when push comes to shove, it's always some compromise between performance, usability, economics, resale value and other boring stuff.
And with ~30 boats already on order, I would say that this is the most successful launch in this segment (~35' sporty racer/cruiser) since X-yachts launched the X-35.
I know it's pretty much spot on for me!
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And it seems that many people on SA wants (and argues for) the all out planing carbon 36' racer? But not many of you are prepared to pay the $500k and actually get one? So when push comes to shove, it's always some compromise between performance, usability, economics, resale value and other boring stuff.
And with ~30 boats already on order, I would say that this is the most successful launch in this segment (~35' sporty racer/cruiser) since X-yachts launched the X-35.
I know it's pretty much spot on for me!
People like you should just find a different sailing site! If Sailing Anarchy is bit too much for you then look elsewhere for your sailing info!
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Holy cow, how friggin in-hauled is that jib - what's the setup they're using? The jib clew HAS to be high to clear the cabin top. Otherwise the foot can't scrape the deck cuz it's a furler sail - no end plate effect here boys.
As someone said earler, they went with a coachroof which looks too high - I know why but they made a lot of consessions.
to my eye the upwind pic doesn't look that impressive. Granted it's not an Audi-Med TP52 but it looks plodding. We'll see when it hits these shores.
Can you adjust the backstay easily or did they go for the dumbed down, lowest common demoninator hard-to-adjust handle at the back model?
As someone said earler, they went with a coachroof which looks too high - I know why but they made a lot of consessions.
to my eye the upwind pic doesn't look that impressive. Granted it's not an Audi-Med TP52 but it looks plodding. We'll see when it hits these shores.
Can you adjust the backstay easily or did they go for the dumbed down, lowest common demoninator hard-to-adjust handle at the back model?
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But when you consider that back in the late 70's and early 80's, hippies were building boats that were 5' longer (Olson and SC 40)and only 1000lbs heavier with nice wood tone interiors that made you feel at home instead of in a plastic boat, I'd say that building techniques for boats built for the average sailor has not progressed much in the last 30 some odd years. (I bet profits have)
The image gallery does not show any interior photos, not good.
Nah, that just applies to 105s.
Putting on the flame suit now, cause I'm going to surprise myself here and say that I generally like the look, but I have two questions (someon already asked what it rates, so I won't go there...)
1) Do we really have to have a recessed wheeL? I mean, it's cool and it lets the hemsman sit out to weather and all, but they can be a bitch to keep clean, and there's always the errant beer can or the ten year old's foot that somehow manage to get caught up in there at least once in every regatta. Not mention the pringles. Did I ever tell you about the pringles? God help us.
2) Why isn't the roller furler recessed in the bow? It's been what, 25 years since the 105 hit the water and we still haven't figured that one out? C'mon guys!
I have a feeling it will be one of those boats that you see at a dock in 10 years and ask a crew mate, is that a J? Is it revolutionary? No. Is it cheap? No. Is it faster than existing 35-40ft IRC designs 40? Unlikely. Maybe it can squeak out a good rating, with the cockpit seats, sprit, and limited overhang, but that seems about it. And could somebody please throw some better graphics on that thing?
mustang__1
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i bet profits have gone down, per dollar of input... labor costs more, materials cost more, etc. but hey, what do i know. and i do agree that the jboats on the whole seem a bit over priced.
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Nah, that just applies to 105s.
Putting on the flame suit now, cause I'm going to surprise myself here and say that I generally like the look, but I have two questions (someon already asked what it rates, so I won't go there...)
1) Do we really have to have a recessed wheeL? I mean, it's cool and it lets the hemsman sit out to weather and all, but they can be a bitch to keep clean, and there's always the errant beer can or the ten year old's foot that somehow manage to get caught up in there at least once in every regatta. Not mention the pringles. Did I ever tell you about the pringles? God help us.
2) Why isn't the roller furler recessed in the bow? It's been what, 25 years since the 105 hit the water and we still haven't figured that one out? C'mon guys!
fuck yes the wheel should be recessed. sailing the 109 i could either sit, or i could stand and see the telltales. standing all day for a 3day regatta gets old by the second day. It was neat sailing the King/Summit 40 with the wheels all the way out to the edge of the cockpit - super comfy to helm.
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Seems like a nice enough boat. Personally I have no emotional involvement with Js. I've sailed on them and against them and I have almost invariably enjoyed sailing them. I like them plenty, but I'm not an I've-drunk-the-Kool-Ade fan-boy. Three observations from the photographs. They are probably related.
Maybe they need more wind? But traditionally, J/boats have more-or-less been dialed in for the 6-12 knot TWS that most of the USA sails in, weekend after weekend after weekend. That looks like 7 knots TWS to me...
- Not of lot of big smiles or happy grins on board. Everyone EVERYONE looks either serious or disappointed or both.
- Boat looks like it came out heavy. Even in the glassed-off, everyone-forward picture the transom is in the water. Transom gurgling in every photo; disturbed water flow off the back. Will it tow an empty beer can back there?
- Makes big waves. The 3/4 angle view with spinn shows IOR levels of quarter wave, big hole amidships.
Maybe they need more wind? But traditionally, J/boats have more-or-less been dialed in for the 6-12 knot TWS that most of the USA sails in, weekend after weekend after weekend. That looks like 7 knots TWS to me...
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Boat looks great, looks like a winner to me. Besides the "J Hater Nation" that is sailing anarchy, I think the number of hulls already ordered is a true testament to J Boat's ability to make a great boat, don't think the new sydney 37 will be able to match it's numbers in sales. That being said i am a little disapointed that the finished product wasn't the radical change in direction for J Boats that many people were expecting. I thought they would step out of their comfort zone and actually produce a hardcore, lightweight, T-bulb keel racer but it ended up being another 36ft cruiser/racer in their lineup. The 111 is too similar to the 109 and they will cannibalize each other's sales.
It's funny how the other 111 threads were mostly complimentary. How come the haters come out when it's in the water? I like the boat and it seems to be a departure from recent J designs.
Not really sure that's the boat to take for a serious offshore race is it? And sure, $300k might get it on the starting line, but we'll see.
So the big question now (if it's such a great example of the boat people want - and cheap too)... How many sold?
I love those boats as much as anyone, but it's extremely hard to get them to market. That's reality. The segment between production racer/cruisers (J/111, SC37, Sydney 37, X-35, X-treme 37, T-34, ...) and racing custom designs from Ker/Farr/Corby/Mills/Bakewell-White is very small. Many have tried; 1D35, Farr 11s, Heiner 38, Ker 11.5 (now reincarnated as Ker 40 after they closed down after building one boat), Max Fun 35, ... Not many good examples in the last 30 years besides Melges and Farr.
And for a company like J/boats, in this kind of economy, trying to do a new J/125 or compete with the Melges 32 wasn't really an option.
But I guess there are plenty of choice for those who need (and are willing to pay for) more performance.
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1.135!?? surely too high. I agree though, beautiful boat - the wheel looks terrific., the 109 always looked unnaturally high.
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The shot of the boat reaching reveals a hull form that cannot escape from its quarterwave - stuck in the trough. Slow in a breeze.
