J/99 anyone have info beyond the teaser?

Blur

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The 11s was just a bit odd, I sailed the first one in the UK and despite the modifications it still felt tippy and lacking in stability upwind. Downwind the combination of the J hull form and twin rudders meant it tracked very straight when sailed on more vmg angles but still felt like it would wash out early when pressed. Jataka had a very respectable result of I think 4th in the transquadra (i could be wrong) and with that being a downhill race it was expected to get a good result. I always thought that if it were campaigned properly with a proper budget then it would be competitive in the English Channel RORC races where Js typically do very well. I expect the 99 to pick up where this boat left off. 
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All the numbers looked ok, and I'm sure it could perform if properly campaigned. #1 is getting a normal single J/111 rudder + more sail area. Will be fun to watch.

I also see the 99 as the 11S done right. I'm sure Didier & J/Composites learned a lot with their three IRC-iterations of the 112e and are combining the best bits into a nice package.

Competition in this size is ramping up with Ofcet 32, new JPK 1030, Dehler 30OD and others...  Maybe the start of a 30' shorthanded class a la HP30 or Super11?

 

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Competition in this size is ramping up with Ofcet 32, new JPK 1030, Dehler 30OD and others...  Maybe the start of a 30' shorthanded class a la HP30 or Super11?
Why would it need a class like the HP30?  The boats already around (3200, JPK1010 etc) already perform very well offshore under IRC. 

HP30 was created to give a home to boats that were not competitive on IRC.

 

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IMHO the good thing of such a class could be to encourage designer to design and build boats that really sail fast and fun instead of just performing under a rating rule (which often seems to be "slower is better" in many cases).

 

vikram

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The more cruising pretense they remove from this boat....doors, vinyl trim on cabin sides, etc the more of these they will sell....Water ballast option same thing. There is no need to worry about one design in this type of racing obviously. J folk, build a race boat....u have 97e for cruisy racer and it's well done. Offer a cruise interior also like the rendering but offer wipe down model as well.

The winch in aft port corner is strange. We needs more details and hopefully the ability to order for next season.

 

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Why would it need a class like the HP30?  The boats already around (3200, JPK1010 etc) already perform very well offshore under IRC. 

HP30 was created to give a home to boats that were not competitive on IRC.
Me thinks the suggestion is simply to organize like boats to race more level.  I don't mind racing my Capri 25 against an Antrim 27.  But I sure like racing against J/24's, Wavelength 24's and Merit 25's when I get the chance.  

 
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Swimsailor

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The more cruising pretense they remove from this boat....doors, vinyl trim on cabin sides, etc the more of these they will sell....Water ballast option same thing. There is no need to worry about one design in this type of racing obviously. J folk, build a race boat....u have 97e for cruisy racer and it's well done. Offer a cruise interior also like the rendering but offer wipe down model as well.

The winch in aft port corner is strange. We needs more details and hopefully the ability to order for next season.
Aft port corner?  That's the stb primary.

 

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Fixed prod on the J/99 is notable but not surprising to me, after pioneering and promoting retractable sprits for over 25 years. Is this the first production J/Boat with a fixed prod (the J/11s "prod" was tiny)? Their ad copy promotes the removable prod "the primary benefits of a fixed sprit for offshore sailing are reduced weight in the bow and better protection against water intrusion" (vs a retractable sprit :lol: ).

Several people have spoken to acceptance in the USA, no problem with that. But I wonder what percentage of J/Boat new boat sales are in the USA/North America vs Europe/the rest of the world. Where their sales were USA only decades ago, I get the impression they've done well (better?) in Europe - but I am only guessing. Seems clear they haven't grown in the USA over the long term, but maybe offset somewhat by expanding elsewhere.

 
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Swimsailor

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Fixed prod on the J/99 is notable but not surprising to me, after pioneering and promoting retractable sprits for over 25 years. Is this the first production J/Boat with a fixed prod (the J/11s "prod" was tiny)? Their ad copy promotes the removable prod "the primary benefits of a fixed sprit for offshore sailing are reduced weight in the bow and better protection against water intrusion" (vs a retractable sprit :lol: ).

Several people have spoken to acceptance in the USA, no problem with that. But I wonder what percentage of J/Boat new boat sales are in the USA/North America vs Europe/the rest of the world. Where their sales were USA only decades ago, I get the impression they've done well (better?) in Europe - but I am only guessing. Seems clear they haven't grown in the USA over the long term, but maybe offset somewhat by expanding elsewhere.
I think most of the recent J launches have been developed in France.  Which probably says something.  

My biggest question though, can we call this the J/"ninety-nine"?  If we have to say "nine-nine" the fantasy is gone. 

 

JL92S

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Fixed prod on the J/99 is notable but not surprising to me, after pioneering and promoting retractable sprits for over 25 years. Is this the first production J/Boat with a fixed prod (the J/11s "prod" was tiny)? Their ad copy promotes the removable prod "the primary benefits of a fixed sprit for offshore sailing are reduced weight in the bow and better protection against water intrusion" (vs a retractable sprit :lol: ).

Several people have spoken to acceptance in the USA, no problem with that. But I wonder what percentage of J/Boat new boat sales are in the USA/North America vs Europe/the rest of the world. Where their sales were USA only decades ago, I get the impression they've done well (better?) in Europe - but I am only guessing. Seems clear they haven't grown in the USA over the long term, but maybe offset somewhat by expanding elsewhere.
We had 2 J11s’s into the UK and one had a short prod and spinnaker pole and the other had a regular retracting sprit. A few recent Js have been designed without the sprit, the 100, 124 and 65 didn’t have sprits. With the more semi custom approach that J Composite have taken i’m sure you could order any brand new J from France (except the 70 built in Poland) and not have a retracting bowsprit.

 

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We had 2 J11s’s into the UK and one had a short prod and spinnaker pole and the other had a regular retracting sprit. A few recent Js have been designed without the sprit, the 100, 124 and 65 didn’t have sprits. With the more semi custom approach that J Composite have taken i’m sure you could order any brand new J from France (except the 70 built in Poland) and not have a retracting bowsprit.
Not sure what that has to do with my observation, but OK. Arguably the first fixed prod production J/Boat...

 

vikram

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 https://www.dehlersverige.se/dehler-30

Great renderings and lots of very cool ideas....which may or may not work. I like that the boat makes only simplest allowances for cruising. I don't like the tbulb and the draft is pretty darn deep but overall you have to admit a lot of thought has gone into this. Someone mentioned on Blur blog it's probably an Olympic bid boat. I guess I just thought that would default to Figaro 3. I am very hopeful something will be available in the states soon. I have never considered a dehler...first time for everything. 

 

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Hey, where is this boat going to be exceptional?  The promo intimates distance (not buoy), which configuration?  The Mac, which Mac?  The 50+ hours upwind or the 40 hour Mac  with the with wind aft of the beam?  Is this boat going to move in 3 knots and be manageable in 27 downwind with an A2?  Maybe these questions say more about my abilities (or lack thereof) than questions about the boat.  Just asking.



 

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Hey, where is this boat going to be exceptional?  The promo intimates distance (not buoy), which configuration?  The Mac, which Mac?  The 50+ hours upwind or the 40 hour Mac  with the with wind aft of the beam?  Is this boat going to move in 3 knots and be manageable in 27 downwind with an A2?  Maybe these questions say more about my abilities (or lack thereof) than questions about the boat.  Just asking.
Most J/Boats in the last 10 years or more have had enough SA/D to "move in 3 knots and be manageable in 27 downwind (might opt for the A3, or an A4)." Won't know for sure until we see the specs, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't designed for good light and planing performance.

Most J/Boats over the past 20+ years have gone upwind fine, but they've excelled off the wind in light and heavy (average in moderate wind).

If you believe ad copy, they'll do well in the Chicago-Macs - typically more offwind (unlike '18). I would expect the J/99 to perform well in the same races as a J/121, J/111, J/88 or other late models.

Now more than ever, sailors are attracted to adventure-filled, signature events (Fastnet, Middle Sea, Chicago-Mac, etc.) where straight-line speed, sail handling, strategy and weather routing are all equally put to the test. The J/99 is designed to excel in these events (both fully crewed and short-handed) while delivering the exhilarating, family-friendly experience the J Sport range is known for.

 
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Crash

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Talked to Jeff J at the Annapolis Boat show.  He said first boat should be in the water within the month, with a boat coming to the Miami show in January, and Hull 5 (I think) coming to Sail Expo in CA in April...

 

sunseeker

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Talked to Jeff J at the Annapolis Boat show.  He said first boat should be in the water within the month, with a boat coming to the Miami show in January, and Hull 5 (I think) coming to Sail Expo in CA in April...
So in other words there really aren’t any boats available for next summer.

 

Crash

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Dunno how full the order book for the US is right now, you'd have to ask, or what their production ramp up capacity is.  Based on their willingness to talk and share info with me, I'm pretty sure that if you are a semi-serious shopper, and contacted your dealer, they'd be able to either tell you, or find out pretty quickly what hull number/timeframe is open.  If I was a guessing man, I'd tell you that they are not building a ton of boats on the "if you build it, they will come" strategy, and that they probably already have orders for the first half dozen or so...

Or again, if your semi-serious, go visit them in Miami, and they tell you there just where things stand, plus you'll be able to see the boat...

 

Roldy MC

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hull +/- number 20 due to be delivered mid June in France .

Main choices are 1or 2 rudders, 2m or 2.10 flat keel...

I will see later on which configuration we'll choose, can keep you posted if you want a know more about French deliveries...

 




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