J/99 anyone have info beyond the teaser?

Flaming

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It is certainly a possibility and with only 1 boat very hard to know. So, sure you can take your chances, place the bet that you are a better sailor than the current J/99 and will therefore be super competitive, or you can take basically no chances and get a boat that clearly performs well DH in IRC across a number of boat owners.

Perhaps the better question is looking for examples of the J/99 performing well in IRC DH. I'm only familiar with IRC in the Solent. Nowhere else.
True. However, having lined up a number of times against 3300s inshore crewed - if you want to be competitive in that area you're not going to like the 3300.
 

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I also think it's a chicken/egg thing where the most ambitious shorthanded sailors choose a proven platform (or something with a unique advantage).

"We're going to do what it takes in a semi-professional campaign" -> JPK or SunFast.
"I'd like to do some doublehanded racing in a good-looking boat" -> J/99

This naturally shows in the results. Which generates even more bias towards the boats that perform well.

I think J/boats and resellers underestimated this effect. Both with the J/121 and J/99 where it took some time to get some decent results, and then the reputation is already there...

This said J/99 is selling healthy in the segment it's aiming for (which in the long run might be commercially better than the one where JPK/SunFast dominates).
 

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Again - check the Australian results. Sydney Gold Coast and Sydney Hobart is IRC and ORC. Jan Scholten (1/2 the team) is a very good sailor.
 

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Again - check the Australian results. Sydney Gold Coast and Sydney Hobart is IRC and ORC. Jan Scholten (1/2 the team) is a very good sailor.
Agree. Plus, Ray and Sandra (J/boats AUS) understand the value of getting results with new J/boat models.

That said, competition is much less serious than in the UK, France, Germany, or the recent Doublehanded Worlds where we have 10-15 semi-professional teams showing up in optimized JPK and SunFast. It would be super interesting to see Disko Trooper (or a Euro J/99) lining up against a fleet with similar skill/ambition.

RORC http://www.rorc.org/raceresults/2022/twohandedos.html
UNCL DH https://www.uncl.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/CLAST_ATLMAN_DOUBLE_CHPT2022_M18.pdf
Sevenstar RBI http://www.rorc.org/raceresults/2022/twohanded15.html
DH Worlds https://data.orc.org/public/WEV.dll?action=race&eventid=dyirq&raceid=2
Baltic 500 http://www.baltic500.com
 

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Agree. Plus, Ray and Sandra (J/boats AUS) understand the value of getting results with new J/boat models.

That said, competition is much less serious than in the UK, France, Germany, or the recent Doublehanded Worlds where we have 10-15 semi-professional teams showing up in optimized JPK and SunFast. It would be super interesting to see Disko Trooper (or a Euro J/99) lining up against a fleet with similar skill/ambition.

RORC http://www.rorc.org/raceresults/2022/twohandedos.html
UNCL DH https://www.uncl.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/CLAST_ATLMAN_DOUBLE_CHPT2022_M18.pdf
Sevenstar RBI http://www.rorc.org/raceresults/2022/twohanded15.html
DH Worlds https://data.orc.org/public/WEV.dll?action=race&eventid=dyirq&raceid=2
Baltic 500 http://www.baltic500.com
Pretty sure the 99s have had some good results in France though? Winning the Dh class at Spi Ouest I think?
 

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I'm wondering what config of the J99s are getting good results. Does anyone here know which configurations are being run?
The one that won crewed at Dartmouth the other week (Jump 2 It) had wheel steering (!) and a single rudder. Presumably no water ballast.
 

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Quite a few of these now in the marina here in Hamble (6 boats ?). I have never sailed on one (been trying to get a ride) but when I have raced against them they have been fairly averagely sailed, eg poor starts badly positioned and not getting going off the line, slow hoists and early kite drops etc. As such I think it's hard to judge the boats
 

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The FN is really 1/3 beat, 1/3 reach, 1/3 run typically.

Traditional Fastnet course was more like 60% upwind, 30% downwind and 10% white sail reach in my experience. The new course with Cherbourg finish is more even upwind / downwind.

Your owner should decide his priority offshore DH vs inshore crewed and pick accordingly. Back in the day when I was doing it I could race DH very competitively in J105 and then do UK and French one-design racing and JOG style passage racing. You can find many good offshore DH boats which will do well in JOG passage racing with crew. If you want IRC W/L too that’s going to be a struggle. J-Cup is just one regatta personally I would put that down the priority list and treat it as a social event.
 

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I'm wondering which keel option they went for and which rudder setup. (It seems like no one has gone for water ballast.)

If I have time tomorrow I will look at Hamble boats (failing that it will be next week) re rudders and report back. I have a feeling twin rudders are more marketing that hydrodynamics anyway in many of these designs
 

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The RORC DH season is basically done ... you can make what you like of the standings. 1010 wins and a 3200 in second. What is clear is that the 3300 have sold incredibly well, I see new boats being commissioned all the time, and they are getting out onto the race course

RORC DH 2022
 

Snowden

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IRC W/L ... treat it as a social event.

This is where I have got to - whilst there are designs that have won DH and crewed in a variety of course types, it is hard to optimise a single boat for all of them at the same time. It's also hard to keep a consistent crew of 7-8 trained and committed if you want to do a lot of DH racing and not invite them.

My boat is really set up for solo / DH racing but we do inshore crewed events from time to time for fun.
 

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This is where I have got to - whilst there are designs that have won DH and crewed in a variety of course types, it is hard to optimise a single boat for all of them at the same time. It's also hard to keep a consistent crew of 7-8 trained and committed if you want to do a lot of DH racing and not invite them.

My boat is really set up for solo / DH racing but we do inshore crewed events from time to time for fun.
Don't agree.

With the way you can have a separate D/H rating, the optimising part is pretty easy, although can be expensive if you go down the route of separate mains, smaller jibs etc.
We're predominantly an inshore fully crewed boat, 25 days of fully crewed racing this year, but we've also done 6 weekends of D/H, and plan on increasing that next season. Pretty tough to argue we're not competitive in both configurations, as we've won events this year fully crewed and D/H...

The main issue at the moment is really that in this size bracket, the rise of D/H has really depleted the fully crewed fleet. So I'm all in favour of the J99, as it is the sort of boat that people will dual use, where the 3300s, which seem to be breeding like bloated rabbits in HYS at the moment, just don't work for fully crewed inshore.
 

Snowden

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the optimising part is pretty easy, although can be expensive if you go down the route of separate mains, smaller jibs etc.

This is where it got hard for us. Our ideal “W/L” inshore config would be a stripped out symmetric spin boat with full size main and J1s, whereas the offshore 2H config has a load of extra weight (cushions, lee cloths, batteries, pilot gear), smaller white sails, bowsprit and asymmetric spins.

If you can run both of those at once you are probably setting your sights higher than a £30k 30’er!
 

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in the netherlands, there are next year 11 j.99's sailing. 2 J/99 always get good results. Lallekonig is beating j.109's etc a lot, FunJ is also doing well. The ones that tend to struggle in big fleets, are the ones that have a furler jib, and single spinnaker, but this set up is also showing the difference in time on the boat spent to get to know it. they still finish in the top quarter of the fleet. so in general i think it is an easy boat to sail, but like every boat, it's also dependent on time on the water, preparation and crew ability.
 

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