bloodshot
Super Anarchist
I think ^this ^ is about right. IMO, the J111 sails pretty well to its PHRF rating in its OD setup...the J109 in PHRF benefits from a genoa and oversized spin, especially in the light
J109 Vs J112e Vs J111
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psycho tiller
Anarchist
That's exactly how I remember the 109 too, 8 knots would move the boat, anything below that was a little painful and frustrating.
pqbon
Anarchist
I think that is what we have seen from the J111 -- the 109s struggle when the wind drops while our fleet would continue to race. In my experience the J111 is really optimised for Windward/Leeward.
Roleur
Super Anarchist
J/111s have done really well in PHRF in the PNW which is typically light wind and there are a lot of J/109s that race here too. I think the 111's secret sauce is its light air performance.
The J/111 has a really nice, large v-berth (unless it has been removed for racing).
The J/111 is surely way more fun to sail.
If a J/111 rates 36 in SoCal, what does a J/109 rate? In the PNW a OD J/111 is 48 and the J/109s with genoas are 69. Some 111's rate 39-45 due to larger kites, mains, and/or new rudders.
The J/111 has a really nice, large v-berth (unless it has been removed for racing).
The J/111 is surely way more fun to sail.
If a J/111 rates 36 in SoCal, what does a J/109 rate? In the PNW a OD J/111 is 48 and the J/109s with genoas are 69. Some 111's rate 39-45 due to larger kites, mains, and/or new rudders.
saboteer
Member
There’s no rating for how nice the interior is. You can certainly cruise a 111. But it’s a racer with some cruising concessions. You will be more comfortable cruising on a 109. It’s a better balance of racer and cruiser. Both are great boats. I think the 111 is a great boat. If racing is Ed’s priority, it’s the boat to get. If he wants to cruise with the girlfriend and race, and both are equally important, then a 109 is the boat to get.
Besides, what’s A5 rate? 150 right? So a J/109 is a rocket in comparison. Rates like A6, cruises like (maybe better than) A5. Win, win!
Roleur
Super Anarchist
Seems like the same secs/mile delta as we have in the PNW. I'd be very happy with those numbers in So Cal.
Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
Agreed, mine spent most of the time on the dock but very useful to stow non-race gear not needed for the day. They did them on J92S's as well. If I recall they were a paid option on both boats
Monkey said:
I can’t see how you’d go wrong. To this day, my favorite silly feature on the 109 is that removable locker at the stern. Its so simple, but brilliant for a boat that goes racing and cruising.
I'm not a fan of my box. It sits atop the lazarette hatch blocking access. The lazarette has much more storage space and so the box lives in the garage. I don't know if this is true for other J boats.
I can’t see how you’d go wrong. To this day, my favorite silly feature on the 109 is that removable locker at the stern. Its so simple, but brilliant for a boat that goes racing and cruising.
I'm not a fan of my box. It sits atop the lazarette hatch blocking access. The lazarette has much more storage space and so the box lives in the garage. I don't know if this is true for other J boats.
Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
What boat do you have. On 109 or 92S therr is no lazarette
J122
Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
Nice !
Or a J/130 which IMHO is a better design. After decades of racing on other people's J/130 & J/120's, I personally took delivery on a new French built J/111 at the end of last season & like it very much. It's light, fast & the build quality is quite good. I'm divorced, don't cruise & ...
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