Oh my god do not conflate "one design" with "SMOD." Not the same thing.Explain then how some boats have high floors and others don't and therefore venturis or not. How the position of runners is different boat to boat. How there are different mast controls boat to boat.
They are built to a rule that does not make them one design.
Well just so you know, the prevailing definition is mine. Yours is conflated with "rule" based boats or "development" classes. There is *one* design for the star. You meet it or you don't sail. A boat with a rule, you have tradeoffs---6 meter rule for instance --- or different paths you can take within some set of min/max: moth, or intl 14 or canoe for instance. Scow moths, are very different from the more melonseed ones but they both met the rule. Stars are one design. They aren't V-15s which are SMOD. They have the same sort of variability as a comet, a snipe, a penguin, or a lightning. Are these others not one design either? That's really the point.All of your points are correct. And yes I have sailed them and owned two.
To me that does not equate to one design but rather design within tolerances.
Matter of language use and definition. You have yours, I have mine. Happy to move on..
There's some talk about Rule 69 in this German article:While the class has done the right thing, we now have to hope that higher authority takes action, but seeing who it is, I doubt it. Deliberate cheating needs further action because just missing a regatta is not sufficient a penalty.
In all, a dozen keels should have been criticized. Two teams are supposed to have machined the keels for post-surveying to make them suitable for the stencils. They now face a Rule 69 protest because of unfairness. It is not permissible to deal with the keel at all. But there will be a shipyard in Riva on Lake Garda, which regularly carries out such tasks for the Italians.
It is not relevant because in those cases it is done legally and what we are discussing is cheating. it would only be relevant if somebody was deliberately building illegal Stars or 505's hoping to get away with it."different hull shapes" is all relative.
Do notice that while Mader has been quite dominant in the Star, Folli and Lilia have had their moments of brilliance too.
In the 505, there are multiple "superboat" hull shapes that all vie for world champion status.
The existence of variations due to tolerances is not a problem in actual practice. But it is endless grist for the mill.
Yes. That is true.It is not relevant because in those cases it is done legally and what we are discussing is cheating. it would only be relevant if somebody was deliberately building illegal Stars or 505's hoping to get away with it.
The funny thing is, that for all the problems with the rules and build quality, it seems that the only people who got lobbed were ones who had deliberately reprofiled the keels. Funny how in a fleet of 162 boats, everybody but the cheaters seemed to have found the rules pretty clear. The rules cannot be hurting the class that much if they can get that sort of turnout.Yes. That is true.
But if the J70 were to develop some tolerances, it would be a rational approach. What they have now is untenable because there is no way to be clear. How much is too much wetsanding? When you do a repair you have to "put it back the way it was" but what was it?
Yes these cheater keels were completely re-worked.
Recchi's has at least as many things wrong as Vincenzo'sThe answer by Mr. Recchi is (obviously and easly) very convincing, adressing all points.
VO lost another chance to STFU, he will now be remembered as the main cheater in this controversy...
sometimes "silence is golden"
The one that failed was the brand new one that papa bought for son and then sent to "the best yard' to get it ready for Worlds. Jr. never sailed the 70 before.Yep, there are some astonishingly naive posts on this thread for those who've studied something of the history of measurement/compliance issues.
Its interesting that one of the Mascalzone boats passed measurement and the other one didn't. Makes me wonder if there's an element of cockup in this sorry tale.
"at least as many"....maybe is a bit strong? I understand friends are friends but....Recchi's has at least as many things wrong as Vincenzo's