From a purely nationalistic viewpoint:
I hope our cheaters are as good as their cheaters!
I hope our cheaters are as good as their cheaters!
That's kinda the point.The one that failed was the brand new one that papa bought for son and then sent to "the best yard' to get it ready for Worlds. Jr. never sailed the 70 before.
The Viper Class rules specify that the hull cannot be faired. The keel can be faired or repaired but if a keel has any work done it must comply with a class supplied template with tight tolerances which is available to members. We are a class that has a strict "as supplied by builder" basis to the rules but as the class grew the owners and their Technical Committee acknowledged the reality that foils get damaged and occasional imperfections occur in even the best production line. The rules were promptly amended to introduce a template. There is no temptation to veer away from the builder supplied shape because that shape is fast.Fully agree with Team_GBR and others that cheating is cheating and there should have always been zero tolerance. How do those construction practices compare with other sport boats like the Viper 640?
Vincenzo should never have written his letter.Recchi's has at least as many things wrong as Vincenzo's
Thanks Chuso, should be much better tomorrow once they split fleets and we have a better boat.Pretty cool live coverage from Mr. Clean, given the little resources...
Not much work getting done today.
Let me look..."at least as many"....maybe is a bit strong? I understand friends are friends but....
what doesn't convince you in mr Recchi's letter?
ps I thought you would answer post #56...it would be elegant in the context (did not quote again, hope you appreciate)
Sorry, missed this one until now. The reason Charlie was not listed is that his owner did not register the names of the crew. I ran with the info I had and would never shield Charlie from the news, not the way I play. His name is going up there now.As apparently is very important to underline name and NATIONALITIES of the "evil pros" behind the scene, I think it will be a pitty to forget to list the tactician of the italian event host(!) Vertigo.........the olympic medalist Charlie McKee.........from USA............
Please rectify...if we care about clear news...
6 of them from the same yard. One modified similarly, but done independently. And there are a bunch more keels floating around Europe with issues.That's kinda the point.
If I read it correctly you're saying that all the boats that failed had a very similar illegally modified profile. It seems unlikely that all those owners specified the exact same illegal profile utterly independently.
Then if papa was tweaking a boat for his son, you'd expect it to be the same spec as his own, that is presumably as optimised as he can get it. Instead as one passed and the other one didn't: they must have been pretty different. So I doubt papa supplied the yard with detailed drawings showing to the millimetre what changes he wanted made.
I bet if one could find the true story of how these boats came to be illegally modified it would involve poor communication, misunderstanding, false assumptions and goodness knows what else as much as a desire to cheat. If the organisers wish to RRS69 people, they'd need to establish who gave what instructions, all the rest. Fairly recent AC history illustrates the difficulties in establishing who was responsible for deciding to cheat. Fortunately to exclude illegal boats from the event you don't need any of the history, you just need to demonstrate the boat fails measurement.
Onorato and the current commodore had a huge falling out back in 2010 for reasons I'm not at liberty to go into, needless to say he does not forgive and he likes to make some noise every now and again. I agree he did himself no favors, but there's a reason Italians are known as the fiery ones.Vincenzo should never have written his letter.
His son's boat was ruled by class measurer as not in compliance with class rules. You are entitled to disagree with that decision and have a hearing. There is no disrespect in asking for a hearing. But when the jury agree with the measurement process you accept the decision with courtesy.
Even if you disagree with the jury or even if the jury made a procedural error, you do not embark on a public tirade against your hosts.
Nope. Then you're going to string up people for potentially honest and small errors that could have easily been fixed and measured in. Everyone makes mistakes now and then - for instance getting a lifeline stantion bent too far outboard during transport.How about instead of measuring all boats prior to the event, you measure the top 5 after the event.
zero tolerance expulsion for measurement infractions.
have a chief measurer available prior to the event for participants who want to voluntarily verify compliance of their boat beforehand.
Well played. :lol:I don’t know why there is such a fuss about this. The J/70 class is about to die; in a matter of a few years, it will be populated by club hacks and people will be bitching about it’s PHRF rating. Maybe you didn’t see this, but I received this press release just today. Really exciting stuff and I’m stoked to move on from the pokey J/70.
September 12, 2017; Newport, RI: The answer to racing sailor’s dreams is about to start production! Presenting the brand new, totally unique, J/BravoSierra one-design speedster!
After introducing the J/105 in 1991, and turning the sailing world upside down by claiming to be the first manufacturer to offer an asymmetrical spinnaker on a retracting J/sprit, and by referring to the boat in sophisticated Euro metric numbers instead of boring imperial feet, the J/marketing team now presents its latest naming scheme, using letters instead of numbers! This revolutionary J/branding totally disguises the fact that we just enlarged our last boat on the photocopier at 107%. And because we are going to use the word “speedster” in every press release and in every paragraph, it’s definitely going to be faster.
The new J/BS speedster redefines sailboat racing and shared adventure with friends and paid crew. It fulfills the growing need to simplify payroll and reconnect with those you really can afford to sail with. Strict class crew limits will ensure that no more than four crew are needed, unless there are five, and no more than three can be paid, with the other two or one able to be paid only if certain criteria, carefully enforced, are met. And in an exciting break from tradition, owners need only sit ashore and write checks: no owner-driver rules to prevent this speedster from reaching it’s mediocre performance potential!
Imagine a fleet of mundane speedsters sprinting along, with owners enjoying a “dream circuit” of events that tie into regional “classic” races that everyone aspires to buy trophies for. The pros will be salivating in their black Zhik jackets at the prospect of fleecing a new breed of owners.
Indeed, each new J/BS comes complete with your choice of crew gear in trendy all black, with lime green accents, or with neon yellow accents. Both colorways will feature absurdly large J/logos, embroidered and screened in many places. In another industry first, instead of being fast and light, the boat will be heavy but will look fast: instead of design development or modern materials, each J/BS will leave the factory with a stock keel and rudder painted orange! This speedster will turn heads on the trailer!
Now is the time for the best marketed and most expensive per volume sailboat ever made! The J/BS speedster – the latest one-design class meant to eviscerate the current one-design class (whatever that was). Pure J/BS magic!
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