to me OD means same tag on the main and no clock... done
Smokey became "Streber" if you read Sail in the 70'sMy favourite story of all time involving rules and how to game them is from early NASCAR> you probably know that story.
Alan.....you will recall that my old lady is Italian. Beautiful....amazing chef.....loves sailing.....good company and laughter.....AND some occasional tableware flying through the air. Its all good.Onorato and the current commodore had a huge falling out back in 2010 for reasons I'm not at liberty to go into, needless to say he does not forgive and he likes to make some noise every now and again. I agree he did himself no favors, but there's a reason Italians are known as the fiery ones.
Different driver?Thanks Chuso, should be much better tomorrow once they split fleets and we have a better boat.
http://www.yccsfiles.com/results/j70w/Summary.pdfIs there any results from this event or is it all just cheating
Sounds like he has the right temperament for an AC campaign.Are all the binned boats European built? Last year Vincenzo lost his shit at the Swan worlds (also YCCS) after he protested his main rival in the s&s class for being improperly rated under ORC, they did a full re measurement of the protested boat and it turned out an even lower rating than before! Vincenzo had turned up with a fully optimised Swan 38 with most of the interior removed and was expected to walk away with the class win. It's fair to say that he didn't attend any more socials, skipped prize giving and went home. I see a pattern here lol the word around that regatta was that it was a particularly bad showing from him and he was overly sore
I'm not sure those meet the 'similar' test well enough. And I don't see any evidence that other people do think they meet that test.That litmus test you applied here also would then have class 40's, open 60's, tp 52's etc be "OD"
I’m confused (an admittedly common state for me). I always distinguished between development classes and one design classes. I used to sail an international 14 – clearly a development class.US sailing provides both a description of what it thinks One Design Means,
and a list of one design boats.
This list of course includes, 505's, Stars, and many others.
You can say that the list is wrong, but that doesn't really help communication, you then have to make sure everyone knows that you mean One Design in a different way that US sailing (and probably many other national bodies ) use the term, and as a result different from the way most sailors use the term, and then explain exactly what you mean by it.
Well that fucks up that option for clarity.US Sailing's site is sloppy. There is no category for "level racing" so they just lumped the 6 metres, 5.5 meters, 14s all in with "one design."
Yes, I will still call that one design. Tolerances are an unavoidable part of building things in reality.So one can order a Mader designed and built hull or a Lilia designed and built hull or a Folli designed and built hull (just to take your example) each of which goes to some different corners of the tolerances in their design. and you still want to call that ONE design. There are three just from your own example (never mind updates).
Then they are all fitted out differently. Not to the one design.
What you have is different hull forms that fit tolerances. Just because you choose to call that one design does not make it so. Just because the Star Class calls themselves one design also does not make it so if you give the word "one" its natural meaning.
But there are 4 factories building them now, and they are not owned by J or are they affiliated with one another... is this not the case?One thing is clear or perhaps even the Fractious Few of us agree on. For the present moment, the J70 is a "SMOD" (single manufacturer one design.) All of the Unintended Consequences apply. See Lasers, see J24, etc. Also note that some successful classes started out as SMOD and became classes. Thistle is an old example. JY15 would be a (nearly moribund) example. There are quite a number of classes that lost their single builder at some point.
The SMOD is sold (starting in earnest in the '80s) on the "simplicity" and "fairness" but that is often a conceit in my opinion.
I used to own and race a V15. That was an SMOD. Lost its builder.....
One ironic thing about that was that there was no measurement at nationals.
Fast...The J70 class rule allows for fixing shit. It allows you to replace broken stuff. If your keel gets pitted or gouged from use, repair it. The rule specifically allows for that. What it doesn't allow for is reshaping. That's the issue here. The OD rules are pretty simple, and they work. They even worked in this case, as the keels that didn't measure WERE NOT tossed because the owner tried to repair them, they were tossed because the owner reshaped them, got caught, and subsequently got tossed.THe "ridiculous" part is coming from you notr understanding the POINT:
How to make a rule that can actually measure a boat to achieve substantially one-design results.
505, thistle, whathaveyou etc etc etc are good examples of this.
Just saying" no modifications or work permitted" won't work long term. Stuff breaks. Stuff wears out.