K-Challenge France

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A bit of a heads-up on K-Challenge funding options.


'The money question may be answered later this month with a sponsorship announcement. Among the heavy hitters who could be bankrolling the challenge is the man recently named as the richest in the world – Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy founder Bernard Arnault, said to be worth US$200 billion and who recently took the title of the planet’s wealthiest man after the downturn in the fortunes of Elon Musk.

Louis Vuitton have a long history with the America’s Cup, sponsoring the challenger series from 1983-2007, when they terminated their involvement, saying that “business” had encroached too far in the organisation of the Cup – a bit of a poke at then holders, Alinghi, and their principal, Ernesto Bertarelli. Alinghi and Bertarelli are among the challengers in Barcelona next year – along with Ineos Britannia, American Magic, Luna Rossa and now K-Challenge. Another potential sponsorship candidate for K-Challenge is the French-based Accor hotel group, the largest in Europe and one of the biggest in the world.

Playing catch-up is not recommended in most America’s Cup cycles and particularly in the foiling monohulls – where design is an even more key element than previous Cups. However, under the Cup rules governing this regatta, K-Challenge do have options. They can either buy a first generation AC75 boat, as Alinghi have done, and gather data and time on the water to inform the building of their race boat next year. It’s not known where that first-generation boat might come from (Alinghi bought Team New Zealand’s) – but a smarter play might be, with the money men on board, to buy a design package from another team.

The 37th America’s Cup rules allow that and the most obvious port of call for K-Challenge could well be Team NZ. That would enable them to begin their race yacht build later this year – as all other teams will do.

The French are also not short of world-class sailing and foiling experience. Stephane Kandler, CEO of K-Challenge, has been around a long time and was involved with K-Challenge’s last America’s Cup gig in Valencia in 2007 (where they were known as Areva). Bruno Dubois manages their SailGP team, currently running third, very close behind New Zealand. While the sailing team hasn’t yet been announced, it’s likely that the talented Quentin Delapierre will head it up as helmsman, as he does in the SailGP team – which also includes America’s Cup grinders Matthieu Vandame and Olivier Herledant. The latter pair was part of France’s Groupama team at the 2017 Bermuda America’s Cup, at which Team NZ relieved Oracle Team USA of the “Auld Mug”.
 

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A bit of a heads-up on K-Challenge funding options.


'The money question may be answered later this month with a sponsorship announcement. Among the heavy hitters who could be bankrolling the challenge is the man recently named as the richest in the world – Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy founder Bernard Arnault, said to be worth US$200 billion and who recently took the title of the planet’s wealthiest man after the downturn in the fortunes of Elon Musk.

Louis Vuitton have a long history with the America’s Cup, sponsoring the challenger series from 1983-2007, when they terminated their involvement, saying that “business” had encroached too far in the organisation of the Cup – a bit of a poke at then holders, Alinghi, and their principal, Ernesto Bertarelli. Alinghi and Bertarelli are among the challengers in Barcelona next year – along with Ineos Britannia, American Magic, Luna Rossa and now K-Challenge. Another potential sponsorship candidate for K-Challenge is the French-based Accor hotel group, the largest in Europe and one of the biggest in the world.

Playing catch-up is not recommended in most America’s Cup cycles and particularly in the foiling monohulls – where design is an even more key element than previous Cups. However, under the Cup rules governing this regatta, K-Challenge do have options. They can either buy a first generation AC75 boat, as Alinghi have done, and gather data and time on the water to inform the building of their race boat next year. It’s not known where that first-generation boat might come from (Alinghi bought Team New Zealand’s) – but a smarter play might be, with the money men on board, to buy a design package from another team.

The 37th America’s Cup rules allow that and the most obvious port of call for K-Challenge could well be Team NZ. That would enable them to begin their race yacht build later this year – as all other teams will do.

The French are also not short of world-class sailing and foiling experience. Stephane Kandler, CEO of K-Challenge, has been around a long time and was involved with K-Challenge’s last America’s Cup gig in Valencia in 2007 (where they were known as Areva). Bruno Dubois manages their SailGP team, currently running third, very close behind New Zealand. While the sailing team hasn’t yet been announced, it’s likely that the talented Quentin Delapierre will head it up as helmsman, as he does in the SailGP team – which also includes America’s Cup grinders Matthieu Vandame and Olivier Herledant. The latter pair was part of France’s Groupama team at the 2017 Bermuda America’s Cup, at which Team NZ relieved Oracle Team USA of the “Auld Mug”.
That must have come straight to the reporter from ETNZ. A combination of PR for K-Challenge plus an encouragement for them to pay ETNZ for some kind of design package.

Hope I am wrong but this challenge looks like a complete joke so far, they cannot buy all the time already lost.
 

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That must have come straight to the reporter from ETNZ. A combination of PR for K-Challenge plus an encouragement for them to pay ETNZ for some kind of design package.

Hope I am wrong but this challenge looks like a complete joke so far, they cannot buy all the time already lost.
Nice bit of additional funding for ETNZ? Good if you can get it.
 

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They're taking a longer view, are you saying, Kiwing?
I think Kiwing is right with one caveat I am going to make: It requires the AC to stay in Barcelona. I just can't see K-Challenge Racing moving all the way to New Zealand or the United States for AC38.

Barcelona/Europe was probably the Main Reason they entered. My gut feel is that they won't have challenged had the Cup stayed in NZ!
 

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I answered a post in another thread with my thoughts on K-Challenge France:

- They are going to be still short of money...

Probably, but even if they had all the money they needed they still wouldn't win it as a new (or old, but newly returning) team.

So this is more about them getting back into the game, getting the experience back, program rolling, hopefully building interest in France, and perhaps looking towards success in future Cups.

Good for them. It's a pity that the global economic situation has prevented one or two other teams entering on this basis, eg: the Dutch.

But it must be a tough ask to say/think:

"hey we need to spend tens of millions just to even get there and we know in advance that we will definitely not win, in fact we will be trounced, and in fact we are just setting ourselves up to spend hundreds of millions over three cup cycles to really be able to have a proper attempt at this in the future".

That's the type of committment that is really needed. And also why we see Luna Rossa finally so competitive these days.
 

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Grant Dalton hasn't even secured a "Naming Rights Partner" for AC37 as well as no "TV Deals". Shows you how dire the Economic Situations really are Post COVID-19.
I wonder if Warner Bros Discovery who are broadcasting this years TOR and the next Edition as well can make a similar Deal with the Cup.
 

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I answered a post in another thread with my thoughts on K-Challenge France:

- They are going to be still short of money...

Probably, but even if they had all the money they needed they still wouldn't win it as a new (or old, but newly returning) team.

So this is more about them getting back into the game, getting the experience back, program rolling, hopefully building interest in France, and perhaps looking towards success in future Cups.

Good for them. It's a pity that the global economic situation has prevented one or two other teams entering on this basis, eg: the Dutch.

But it must be a tough ask to say/think:

"hey we need to spend tens of millions just to even get there and we know in advance that we will definitely not win, in fact we will be trounced, and in fact we are just setting ourselves up to spend hundreds of millions over three cup cycles to really be able to have a proper attempt at this in the future".

That's the type of committment that is really needed. And also why we see Luna Rossa finally so competitive these days.
And would this likely be, Sir James's view of his INEOS Britannia AC37 Challenge too? ;-)
 

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Grant Dalton hasn't even secured a "Naming Rights Partner" for AC37 as well as no "TV Deals". Shows you how dire the Economic Situations really are Post COVID-19.
I wonder if Warner Bros Discovery who are broadcasting this years TOR and the next Edition as well can make a similar Deal with the Cup.
Barcelona, AC37 will be massive. There will be sponsors and TV Deals, rest assured.
 

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And would this likely be, Sir James's view of his INEOS Britannia AC37 Challenge too? ;-)

Probably he set his sights higher. In fact probably he thought INEOS would at least be in the final.

But reality is it's pretty tough to pull off first time around even if 'supposedly' you have all the right pieces of the puzzle in place - and all the money too.

There always seems to be something to trip up the newer players.

And if there isn't - maybe another team is simply just faster.

It's why I mention the Italians. In the end ETNZ was simply faster. But the Italians had done a very very very good job. They were very polished and kept improving, and didn't make too many mistakes.

It sounds easy, and yet the other two big name and big money programs both managed to drop the ball...

So it is not even close to being as easy as it might look.

:cool:
 

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Probably he set his sights higher. In fact probably he thought INEOS would at least be in the final.

But reality is it's pretty tough to pull off first time around even if 'supposedly' you have all the right pieces of the puzzle in place - and all the money too.

There always seems to be something to trip up the newer players.

And if there isn't - maybe another team is simply just faster.

It's why I mention the Italians. In the end ETNZ was simply faster. But the Italians had done a very very very good job. They were very polished and kept improving, and didn't make too many mistakes.

It sounds easy, and yet the other two big name and big money programs both managed to drop the ball...

So it is not even close to being as easy as it might look.

:cool:
It's never ever been, or looked easy... to me anyway.
 

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I think Kiwing is right with one caveat I am going to make: It requires the AC to stay in Barcelona. I just can't see K-Challenge Racing moving all the way to New Zealand or the United States for AC38.

Barcelona/Europe was probably the Main Reason they entered. My gut feel is that they won't have challenged had the Cup stayed in NZ!
Is this going to be the new French AC thread?

From the above, what are the thoughts on GD keeping it in Barcelona if NZ win again?

I think we can all agree that Barcelona is going to be BIG. The number of well funded challengers, three with experience from last time around plus Alinghi, let alone the French. As long as the sailing conditions suit the AC 72's.

Of course there will be pressure to return to Auckland, but I bet GD will have loads more cash opportinities to stay in Europe and Barcelona. More challengers interested plus better sponsorship deals. I would not be surprised that he has already discussed tentative agreements to run in Barcelona again.
 

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Is this going to be the new French AC thread?

From the above, what are the thoughts on GD keeping it in Barcelona if NZ win again?

I think we can all agree that Barcelona is going to be BIG. The number of well funded challengers, three with experience from last time around plus Alinghi, let alone the French. As long as the sailing conditions suit the AC 72's.

Of course there will be pressure to return to Auckland, but I bet GD will have loads more cash opportinities to stay in Europe and Barcelona. More challengers interested plus better sponsorship deals. I would not be surprised that he has already discussed tentative agreements to run in Barcelona again.
AC37 will almost certainly have the last British AC Challenge for quite some time.
If ETNZ defend and they stay in BCN there will amost to 80-90 % Degree a Spanish AC38 Challenge + K-Challenge Racing will be back for AC38.
 
AC37 will almost certainly have the last British AC Challenge for quite some time.
If ETNZ defend and they stay in BCN there will amost to 80-90 % Degree a Spanish AC38 Challenge + K-Challenge Racing will be back for AC38.
INEOS is here to stay, Jim wants that Cup. I think if Team Ben shits the bed, it will be the end of Ben.
 

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INEOS is here to stay, Jim wants that Cup. I think if Team Ben shits the bed, it will be the end of Ben.
But Ainslie already said that this will likely be his last America's Cup as a Helmsman. He turns 46 or 47 next year.
He'll probably go even more in the Management Role after AC37 similar to Grant Dalton, Max Sirena, Terry Hutchinson and Ernesto.
 
But Ainslie already said that this will likely be his last America's Cup as a Helmsman. He turns 46 or 47 next year.
He'll probably go even more in the Management Role after AC37 similar to Grant Dalton, Max Sirena, Terry Hutchinson and Ernesto.
Why would Jim keep him, when, looking in from the outside, he's not doing a great job? His Bermuda Campaign was shit. His Auckland Campaign was shit. This campaign already has a similar smell too.
 

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Why would Jim keep him, when, looking in from the outside, he's not doing a great job? His Bermuda Campaign was shit. His Auckland Campaign was shit. This campaign already has a similar smell too.
Why do you keep saying INEOS is here to stay? I don't think they will. Once Ben goes the GBR AC Challenge is DEAD for the forseeable future. Jim will lose interest pretty quick. He isn't a Sailor. He is already moaning about the Youth & Women's AC.

ETNZ will probably pick a Spanish YC as CoR if they defend. Real Nautico Club de Barcelona or something like that.
 
Why do you keep saying INEOS is here to stay? I don't think they will. Once Ben goes the GBR AC Challenge is DEAD for the forseeable future. Jim will lose interest pretty quick. He isn't a Sailor. He is already moaning about the Youth & Women's AC.

ETNZ will probably pick a Spanish YC as CoR if they defend. Real Nautico Club de Barcelona or something like that.
Because it's obvious Jim wants his legacy to be all things sport and glory and returning the Cup to GB is a challenge he can't say no to. All else is distraction (like the WYAC).
 
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