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as an aside, am i correct to assume you got bullied a lot in your youth?
Keep Your Pros on the Dock
- Thread starter BrightAyes
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techdef
Member
Nice idea but…
SoCal PHRF had a rule to at least limit the number of pros on a ride. It was eliminated a few years back since it was waived/deleted in every local SI.
SoCal PHRF had a rule to at least limit the number of pros on a ride. It was eliminated a few years back since it was waived/deleted in every local SI.
WCB
Super Anarchist
He already has a Melges 24...Sounds like you need a new class. Buy this thing and come sail with me:
It has double the sail area of a j 70. It makes them look like the geriatrics division.
BrightAyes
Anarchist
- Thread starter
- #24
what premature ejaculation said
duncan (the other one)
Super Anarchist
Easy to have a corinthian class in regattas / races.
If regularly done on some pretty major events.
.. doesn't get much publicity, or the cachet, though.
If regularly done on some pretty major events.
.. doesn't get much publicity, or the cachet, though.
duncan (the other one)
Super Anarchist
Marty Gingras
Mid-range Anarchist
Seems like the definition of Cat 3 professional is far too broad and should only include folks who get "paid for work that includes competing in a race."
dogwatch
Super Anarchist
Fortunately I have never found that hard to arrange.
dogwatch
Super Anarchist
A few seconds thought show how easy that is to circumvent.
Sailabout
Super Anarchist
Dennis Conner never been paid to sail
He most certainly has been paid to sail.
Marty Gingras
Mid-range Anarchist
They have defined “paid” and it sufficiently addresses enough of that matter.
kcolborne
Member
Our club has a few professional sailors and a few former Olympic sailors that race in our club races on a regular basis. This is keel boat racing in mixed PHRF fleets. Do they win a number of the events? Sure. Are they unbeatable? No.
I have always felt that it makes the rest of us at the club better sailors. I haven't been tempted to whine about how hard it is to beat them. I work to compete with them as best I can.
The biggest difference seems to be in consistency. They win a lot, but not always. Still, they are almost always at or near the front of the fleet. They make few mistakes and make consistently good tactical choices. So, if you want to compete with them, you need to get your boat handling skills up to speed and at a minimum, stop making tactical blunders.
Our pros also tend answer questions and share their knowledge with anyone who engages them in discussion, so we all improve.
I have always felt that it makes the rest of us at the club better sailors. I haven't been tempted to whine about how hard it is to beat them. I work to compete with them as best I can.
The biggest difference seems to be in consistency. They win a lot, but not always. Still, they are almost always at or near the front of the fleet. They make few mistakes and make consistently good tactical choices. So, if you want to compete with them, you need to get your boat handling skills up to speed and at a minimum, stop making tactical blunders.
Our pros also tend answer questions and share their knowledge with anyone who engages them in discussion, so we all improve.
I get why people are tired of pros dominating standings of certain classes. That being said, I’m not intimidated by them at all, and take great pleasure in beating them when I can. It’s always more fun to win against stiff competition than to win against duffers.
PurpleOnion
Anarchist
Soooo... You're an adult raised before the internet proliferated?
You spend time learning from those that beat you rather than whining that you only lost because of the unfair advantages others had?
I believe some of the folks whining uncontrollably and filling this site with redundant threads would readily mock millennials, gen Y, and gen Z for their fragile egos and general softness, yet here we are reading yet another thread about the same topic.
i was kinda hoping this thread turned into a shit fight over the proper spelling of whining ;-)
GLAZE
Member
Look at the J70 class. The top 30 boats at the last event had a pro on them. Are the pros the best sailors, not necessarily. That's probably why you don't see many of them owning a boat and driving. They do offer one critical thing most amateurs can't give, TIME. The top owners have the resources and time. They want to practice and become better. Amateurs like myself do not have that kind of time to commit to a year long campaign of practicing 40+ days and racing 20+. 60-70 days away from volleyball tournaments, equestrian events, musicals, and work. (I have 3 daughters). But with time, a lot of the "pros" can develop their skills that make them marketable across the industry leading to other opportunities. Just like us amateurs in our "professional" career.
So is it unfair? I chose my path and do not regret it. And I do not think it is fair to take away the opportunity for someone to chase their dream or prevent someone from freely spending their own money to win regattas.
So is it unfair? I chose my path and do not regret it. And I do not think it is fair to take away the opportunity for someone to chase their dream or prevent someone from freely spending their own money to win regattas.
