I think this comment may be the result of a misunderstanding of how the top crews operate in one design racing.There is a point to be made here. If you are a skipper and boat owner and you hire a pro to be on you boat in some capacity and then accept the trophy for winning, what have you accomplished? It's kinda chickenshick.
yeah, my local club on handicap racing. Been going on for decades. Let's just say the offending skippers win/won WAY more than they should had it just been them on the helmI think this comment may be the result of a misunderstanding of how the top crews operate in one design racing.
I only know a small subset of racing, but what I observe in the J70 fleet is the top sailors will employ pros to increase the amount of time they can spend on the water sailing with a consistent crew. No-one is getting into the top 10 of a national level regatta 'just' because they have pros on the boat, they are getting there because they have pulled a team together and trained with that team (frequently over several years) to be at the top of the class. And this is something that is substantially harder to do if you have a Corinthian crew.
There's nothing chickenshit about those crews, and generally their primary interest is racing against other crews who have put the same amount of time and effort into their sailing. Having a pro on board for a developing helm (like me) would probably results in a big change in my results(because I still have plenty to learn) but it wouldn't get me onto the podium
In other classes I race the pros are typically just part of the fleet, they happen to be Cat3 but they are not necessarily a dominant force.
Now if what you are imagining is a class or event where an owner, by pulling in a pros is basically bringing a gun to a knife fight, then sure that is kinda chickenshit, but I haven't personally seen that happening. Do you have any specific examples?
yeah, my local club on handicap racing. Been going on for decades. Let's just say the offending skippers win/won WAY more than they should had it just been them on the helm
So, you now want to handicap not just the boats, but those who race on them? And you want to make it harder for the people who are probably the largest contributors to the sport to race?
"Sorry, you're too good. You can't race in the club anymore because someone paid you."
I bet that'll really serve to pull in people to the club.
I bet every professional in the sport that reads this thread is shaking their heads and laughing their asses off.
Bingo. Non-traveling local yocals should not have to compete with a pro in local racing. That's silly IMHO.I think there's a legitimate question to be asked as to whether any particular behavior increases of reduced participation. And there are so many different types of sailing club that this is certainly not a one size fits all issue.
I think in a club where most sailors do not travel to race it is easy to see that having one owner bring in a pro for the club championship could result in other sailors deciding not to take part, and that should probably be avoided.
Would, but they never bother to stick around and share a beer nor knowledge. They do their gig and leave. BTW these are walk-on/walk-off types. For them it ain't about the sharing and caring. It's about a double bullet once a month.Have you asked the "pro"s why they tacked/gybed when they did? Or why they started at the pin? Have you tried to learn from them or are you just bitching behind your screen...
The pros I have known generally were quite generous with their time when not on the clock.Would, but they never bother to stick around and share a beer nor knowledge. They do their gig and leave. BTW these are walk-on/walk-off types. For them it ain't about the sharing and caring. It's about a double bullet once a month.
And also that all pros are not created equal (and in fact there are probably three distinct levels of pro in the fleet, each a full level above the previous one. That level is not small)Goes to show that a lot more goes into winning than just having a couple pros on board!